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jcal87 11-25-2009 10:10 PM

115v 20 amp welder question?
 
Does a 115v 20amp welder need a special plug in a house or will a standard garage plug work? Is this sufficent enough to do sheet metal work on a car?

68protouring454 11-26-2009 07:05 AM

yes its a reg 3 prong 115v plug. you want to make sure its a 20 amp circuit, both the breaker and it being #12 wire to the outlet, its best to use an outlet with nothing else running off it.
yes it will weld anything you need ot weld on a camaro

XLexusTech 11-26-2009 08:20 AM

I am a huge fan of this welder

http://www.hobartwelders.com/product...ed/handler140/

I got mine on Ebay new for 400.. you can also get them at tractor supply.

I have 110 three prong 20 amp circuit (mine are still the old glass fuses)
Never had a problem with blowing the circuit. It easliy welds sheet metal and steel tube. (made a body cart not problem)

jcal87 11-26-2009 09:54 AM

Awesome thanx guys!

E.rodz 11-26-2009 05:35 PM

welder will be fine for what you need it for.but the power will drop off like a rock if you plug an extension cord into it so make shure the 20 amp outlet is close to where you need it.if you need an extension cord use a short as possible and a big cord.:thumbsup:

ItDoRun 11-26-2009 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jcal87 (Post 250521)
Awesome thanx guys!


Where are you at with your project? It's been a while since we last talked.

jcal87 11-26-2009 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ItDoRun (Post 250593)
Where are you at with your project? It's been a while since we last talked.

Dead stand still right now I'm hoping to get it rolling this month. Hey i was going to ask you what are you using to cut all of your tubing for carts and bracing etc.? because I thought about just getting a hand grinder and cut off wheel I have to be careful what I do and what I use due to the fact I live in a rental house.

Garage Dog 65 11-26-2009 08:58 PM

Lots of us use abrasive wheel 'chop' saws - but that wouldn't work for you unless you can setup outside and off the driveway. They throw off tons of sparks, smoke like hell, really noisy and stink up a garage quick. I've also had friends use them in the driveway - and when the grindings get wet - they rust and stain the mad owners purdy driveway....

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=44829

I use a cheap Harbor Freight band saw for the basic cutting jobs:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=93762

A bit slow - but if you use quality blades the final results are good IMO.

Jim

ItDoRun 11-27-2009 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcal87 (Post 250603)
Dead stand still right now I'm hoping to get it rolling this month. Hey i was going to ask you what are you using to cut all of your tubing for carts and bracing etc.? because I thought about just getting a hand grinder and cut off wheel I have to be careful what I do and what I use due to the fact I live in a rental house.

I used our saw at work, but for all my bracing a sawzall should work fine. Or as suggested, a band saw.

jcal87 11-27-2009 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XLexusTech (Post 250490)
I am a huge fan of this welder

http://www.hobartwelders.com/product...ed/handler140/

I got mine on Ebay new for 400.. you can also get them at tractor supply.

I have 110 three prong 20 amp circuit (mine are still the old glass fuses)
Never had a problem with blowing the circuit. It easliy welds sheet metal and steel tube. (made a body cart not problem)

Yeah i think thats what i am going to go with do you have yours hooked up to a bottle? and what size wire do you use?

GregWeld 11-28-2009 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jcal87 (Post 250859)
Yeah i think thats what i am going to go with do you have yours hooked up to a bottle? and what size wire do you use?

Use gas with your MIG... it's a mix argon and co2... the flux cored wires are for farm truck use.

Thin sheet metal - .023 wire works real well. If you're stitch welding (a series of small tacks) snip your stick out at an angle (one snip at like a 45) to form a fine point EACH weld. This will help a "newbie" get a clean weld. Doing this makes the wire need less voltage to start the weld... and will help you with burn thru. Once you get better you can get by without this step. Get yourself a pair of "welpers" = it's a plier that is good for MIG welding use. They're tapered square nose - to clean out the hood slag - and have cutters built in.

Also -- CLEAN bare metal - both sides of the weld area... will making welding easier and the quality of the welding much better. Make a good GROUND for the ground clamp! Skip this and you'll have issues. Good "fit up" is critical to good welding. Take your time and make your pieces fit! Just the right gap makes a good weld and makes things EASY - start getting sloppy and you have to be a much better welder to close em up and make a good weld too...

:cheers: :woot:

XLexusTech 11-28-2009 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcal87 (Post 250859)
Yeah i think thats what i am going to go with do you have yours hooked up to a bottle? and what size wire do you use?

Yes I use a bottle. .035 wire and I think I picked up some .023 as well for the sheet metal.
I use "steel mix" argon/ o2 I believe.
Note if you buy this welder new and are going to use a bottle (I highly recommend it) make sure to swap polarity. It comes shipped ready for Flux core.

jcal87 11-28-2009 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XLexusTech (Post 250940)
Yes I use a bottle. .035 wire and I think I picked up some .023 as well for the sheet metal.
I use "steel mix" argon/ o2 I believe.
Note if you buy this welder new and are going to use a bottle (I highly recommend it) make sure to swap polarity. It comes shipped ready for Flux core.

Yeah im going to get a bottle i just bought the handler 140 for only 420 bux i got a pretty good deal hopefully this thing does the trick!

jcal87 11-28-2009 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 250928)
Use gas with your MIG... it's a mix argon and co2... the flux cored wires are for farm truck use.

Thin sheet metal - .023 wire works real well. If you're stitch welding (a series of small tacks) snip your stick out at an angle (one snip at like a 45) to form a fine point EACH weld. This will help a "newbie" get a clean weld. Doing this makes the wire need less voltage to start the weld... and will help you with burn thru. Once you get better you can get by without this step. Get yourself a pair of "welpers" = it's a plier that is good for MIG welding use. They're tapered square nose - to clean out the hood slag - and have cutters built in.

Also -- CLEAN bare metal - both sides of the weld area... will making welding easier and the quality of the welding much better. Make a good GROUND for the ground clamp! Skip this and you'll have issues. Good "fit up" is critical to good welding. Take your time and make your pieces fit! Just the right gap makes a good weld and makes things EASY - start getting sloppy and you have to be a much better welder to close em up and make a good weld too...

:cheers: :woot:

Hey thanx for the tips greg! I actually took a few years of of welding clases in high school so im pretty good with it but it has all been structural welding no auto body or anyhting this thin.What is the normal diameter for auto body I have seen everyhting from .24 to .35 but i leaning more towards .30 is that a good choice?

ItDoRun 11-28-2009 11:48 AM

The smaller the better as it will require less heat to burn. I used a .025 wire on my car.

GregWeld 11-28-2009 11:49 AM

Welcome!

Okay - so there's more to it than just wire size -- it also depends on what wheel (feed wheels) your welder has....

The Hobart Handler 140 comes with the following:

Dual groove drive rolls make it easy to switch between .023/.025 in. (0.6 mm) and .030 - .035 in. (0.8 - 0.9 mm) wire

You also have CONTACT TIP size... and the machine should come with a couple of tips to mate up to the drive rolls...

GregWeld 11-28-2009 11:54 AM

Watch out for the Handler 125 -- that requires a MIG Conversion kit (to run gas)... so I'd stick with the 140 at a minimum...

GregWeld 11-28-2009 12:00 PM

You might also want to check out the local pawn shops - lots of people out of work and hawking their "stuff"... so you might get a "better" used welder all set up - for the same money you'd buy one new. They're all used right after you squeeze the trigger! Just thinking....


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