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black2002ls 11-13-2005 02:39 PM

G-machine of a different.......scale?!?
 
well here we go. As if I don't have enough major projects on my hands...lets throw one more on the fire. I got the Revell re-release of the 1/12th scale first gen Camaro along with my 06 mustang, and I just can't leave well enough alone. This will be done pro touring style.

Paint, will be two tone (as of right now) a base of PPG sunset metallic, with pearl white. I've removed all of the badges so far. I plan on changing all of the marker lights, they will be oval instead of round. All door handles and locks will remain in-tact. The chin spoiler will be done in CF.

Wheels: The plan right now is to create my own 18" wheels. If you have the current issue of hot rod magazine with the crate camaro, I am thinking something along the lines of the budnik hammer series wheels. I might find someone to machine the outer wheel, and then create resin centers.

Engine: It will follow typical white97ex style, some sort of forced induction or nitrous. I would love to do twin turbos but sourcing materials might prove to be the demise of that route. same with a centrifugal blower......possibly a roots low profile? who knows.

Trans: You can see in the pictures that I have a scratchbuilt transmission in the works. Inspiration a-la GTMike400. only I am going with a T-56 6 speed trans.

Interior: I plan to update the interior...if my steam doesn't run out by the time that I reach that stage. I am planning at this point to make some corbeau or some other style of bucket seats...possible even corvette type buckets, as that is what I would put in the car if I were building it 1:1.

If I manage to get my resin casting skills up to par, there might also be some resin casts of things like the seats and the transmission and such.......stay tuned for more!!!!

comments and criticisms please

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black2002ls 11-14-2005 09:37 AM

Got a little more done on the tranny. the main body is copmlete. all that is left now is the tail shaft. and then all of the ribbing and details. I'm seriously considering scratchbuilding an LS1 for this beast......Since this is going to be my dream car in scale......but time will tell. Also did some of the body mods. I opened up the marker lights and they will all be flush with the body. I never liked the "Gills" in front of the rear wheels, so I decided to do it HOT ROD 1 style. I opened them up and made functional scoops. I will be ordering some cobra colors primer tomorrow. So hopefully in then next couple weeks this body will see some paint.....I need to find a paint code first though...that could prove to be a bear....well on to the pics

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XcYZ 11-14-2005 09:51 AM

I have a 1:12 69 Camaro from waaay back in the day.

Looks pretty cool, do you ever sell your cars when you're done? :)

Rybar 11-14-2005 10:12 AM

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That's a cool idea, here are some pics of my 1:24 scale '69 camaro that was part of my inspiration to build my real car.

I was about 15 years old at the time and I think I was pioneering pro-touring with this model. Check out the staggered 18" fronts/20" rears & brakes from an IMSA race car.

black2002ls 11-14-2005 08:15 PM

awesome work there. I have toyed with the idea of selling some of my creations. I'll post a link later to a photobucket of my current and finished projects.

When you've got 100's of hours in one, it is hard to let it go. plus, getting your money's worth is hard. some of my pro mod builds I have put overe 100 bucks into.

I started making some sketches of the LS1 for this thing. I am taking measurements from a 1:24/1:25 engine and then changing them to 1:12th scale. If anyone has some good reference shots of bare LS1 motors. So I can get any ribbing and bracing correct. Thanks In Advance

black2002ls 02-26-2006 10:17 AM

Well I finally got back to work on this project. There is a thread going in the open discussion forum looking for pics of the LSx engines. Here is where I am at with the heads thus far. This is a copy and past of the post in the other thread. ENJOY

alright. I spent some time last night and this morning working on the heads. I realized that I had missed several details that are needed for it to be accurate when I roughed the head out. The intake runner area cannot be flat, for the intake that I plan to use for this. Hopefully I will be able to create a suitable LSx intake manifold for the resin copies. But I plan on running a sheet metal type intake for the twin turbo set up. So I will spend my time today, what little I can manage to find, working on the intake side of the head. The exhaust side is looking pretty good. It needs some clean up though. Let me know what you think

The first picture is the head that I am using for reference.

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1970cuda 02-26-2006 10:30 AM

models
 
i wish i had the patience to do that kind of stuff.. cool

black2002ls 02-27-2006 09:36 PM

Well, I started re-working the head. There was too much super glue used to fill in the gaps. So, I took what I learned from the first peice and started applying it to the new peice. It will be more accurate from all angles. Also I started drawing the wheels. I picked up the most recent PHR with the 'cuda in it. I really like the wheels that are on in it. So that is what I scaled down to 1:12th scale. I am open to suggestions on wheels though. If you think these will or wont look good, chime in and say so. Oh for the color I am leaning toward sunset orange metallic, however, that is not set in stone yet. On to the pictures.

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black2002ls 02-27-2006 09:36 PM

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black2002ls 02-28-2006 02:52 PM

Alright. A little update for you guys. I showed the picture of the wheel. I sketched it out in versions from 17" to 19" I'm leaning toward a 19"x11" out back and an 18"x8.5" up front. In the sketch, the drawings are completely to scale. Not sure how they came out in the scan. I also scanned in the "disc" that is the wheel right now. You can see how I went about laying out the design. Enjoy. (I'm off to take some pictures for the Artwork page. Its also a great day to paint here in TX.)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...eelsketch1.jpg

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black2002ls 02-28-2006 02:53 PM

sorry about the scrolling from side to side. I hate when I have to do that. But unfortunately it is necessary to get the scan to show full size. Comments please?

TravisB 02-28-2006 03:12 PM

dude you must lots of time on your hands...looks like lots of tideous work to me

black2002ls 02-28-2006 03:20 PM

My discrete class was a waste of time today. I knew all of the material so I did most of the designs then. lol Plus, once you've designed a couple of them, and you figure out how to lay them out properly, it doesn't take much time at all. the way that the wheel will be made is by segmenting the master (the original part I create) Essentially making it 1/5th of the whole part. then I make a mold, and cast replicas of that one part. Once I have 5 suitable casts, I then assemble them and then create a final mold. That will be the mold for the completed wheel.

rocketman 02-28-2006 03:59 PM

i have acouple models i've been working on,just got my son in to them,kinda fun doing father/son projects.

black2002ls 02-28-2006 05:27 PM

thats awesome. I built a viper r/t 10 as my first model, with my dad. This past father's day I built an enclosed diorama of the exact same model (the original came apart over the years) and gave it to him as a gift. It was a garage theme, with parts from the original as spares

G-Body 02-28-2006 06:39 PM

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pretty sweet hears a few finished for you hope you like lol later! George

this is a few photos of my new VW Beetle with a 421 SD pontiac motor in it full tube chassis with many, many mods viper front end molded it 20" scale wheels etc

The purple car is beleive it or not a new mini cooper with corvette frt and rear molded in and complete custom chassis and a vette motor aswell i have many build photos aswell if you wish to see hope you like

G-Body 02-28-2006 06:55 PM

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heres a few others that i have built hope you like
A custom SSR coupe shortned the truck 11" scale inches
it has a 427 with stick shift many mods aswell

and a one of a kind 33 Willys X-cab use to be a Delivery panel truck cut down with blown LS-6 454 and custom built trailer again love to answer any ?'s take care hope you like

black2002ls 02-28-2006 08:40 PM

awesome looking builds. What I have finished thus far aren't quite of that calibre!

G-Body 02-28-2006 09:07 PM

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Thanks hers a few more hope yo umight like

a 56 chevy 2-10 with a viper motor and 6 speed custom chassis etc
and a well started out as a 40 Ford delivery and it has a willys frt end sb2 motor with fuel injection etc prowler seats over 65 mods on car pro streeted thanks again later let me knwo what you think

black2002ls 03-03-2006 06:23 AM

I managed to get 5 good casts from my mold for the wheel. No pictures yet, I might have one this morning. As bad as it is to say this, it was qute surprising when the wedges fit together perfectly. I was expecting some sort of trouble with them. It is taking me a little while, as I am just casting the peices whenever I get a chance. Usually not more than 2 in a day. So it will take me quite a while to get enough peices to create the wheel.

black2002ls 03-03-2006 07:03 AM

Here ya go! I laid it out on a piece of masking tape so that the sections would hold together while I checked fit. One of the sections has not been cleaned up yet, as there is still a film of resin in the opening. Enjoy.

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XTRMEASURES 03-03-2006 08:14 AM

thats just awesome
i was thinking of doing something like that myself. i was going to buy a few models and make one bad ass car....lolol

G-Body 03-03-2006 05:03 PM

Thanks for the comments! Black that is really cool but can i ask why all the effort you can choose from anystyle of wheel you wish from Pagesous and a few other after makert wheel company's to the scale of your liking , I mean sure i can appreciate he effort but Damn your gonna have a ton of time in those and still have to coat them, good luck though , also have you got anything completed to show yet love to see some of your work

black2002ls 03-03-2006 07:56 PM

this is a 1:12th scale. To my knowledge, there isn't any readily available aftermarket pieces in this scale. Other than having them machined.

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My 99 cobra pro mod
69 mustang mach one
2004 mach one (converted teh 99 cobra)

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71 charger painted green go

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C6 vette. white97ex is my log in at automotiveforums

black2002ls 03-03-2006 07:58 PM

http://photobucket.com/albums/a218/black2002ls/

there is a link to my photobucket. Feel free to browse around MANY more photos can be found. I also have a 2004 corvette pro mod body that is cast in resin and is available through Top End Miniatures (www.topendminiatures.com) That I mastered and sent to them.

promax/vennom#16 03-04-2006 07:02 AM

Pricing
 
Pricing;High end Die cast cars are going for $150.00-$300.00 +(which I have spent on a couple of nostalgia drag racing cars.) If someone could custom build a 1/24 scale model of my personal ride,and really detailed,I would fork over that kind cash and I am sure many others would also. When you post your pics,please include pics of the pro mods,my favs!! :thumbsup:

Dave

black2002ls 03-04-2006 07:27 AM

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black2002ls 03-04-2006 07:29 AM

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there is my corvette pro mod. I am in the process of re-building the cage. The original just had too many problems. The worst came when the rear wheels would not mount properly. I did the cage as I was making the body, and with a few subtle changes that I made in the body.....the cage was no good anymore.

pm me about the replica. We might be able to work something out.

G-Body 03-04-2006 08:36 AM

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love the detail in your work nice stuff heres a couple more cars though you might like this is a 56 Merceded gullwing that i took 9 months to complete it has a nascar motor with twin turbos and manyyyyy mods including a mustang III concept roof and interior pegegous wheels and well too many mods to list see if you can find them all lol hop eyou liek take care

G-Body 03-04-2006 08:45 AM

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And heres one last one thought also you might like if you enjoy your customs with alot of speed its a 33 Willys coupe with custom chassis smoothed frame and under belly has prowler frnt end dual nitrous bottles man made intake on a BB chevy with 2 stages of nitrous
I wanted a cool hot rod " G-Machine" most people build hot rods in a differnt style wanted to push the envolope a little and make one that handles aswell let me know what you think of these crazy creations later

black2002ls 03-04-2006 05:34 PM

pretty awesome creations. I usually run into a lack of time here and there and end up rushing most parts. Also I do most of my detailing on the cheap, looking for alternate methods to represent certain details. I'm willing, in a lot of instances, to trade a little realism for some cash. lol

black2002ls 03-05-2006 02:49 PM

well, I had the wheel doubled and assembled. I also got the raised portions attached. I was getting ready to take some pictures, when I realized that Some of the pieces were in upside down. Didn't change the geometry of the wheel. But it did change the proportions in certain areas. Hopefully I can get a good picture up tonight. I dipped the wheel in some water and its in the freezer right now. Hoping that breaks the bonds

black2002ls 03-06-2006 07:01 AM

Alright. Finally a little eye candy for you guys in the way of wheels. I was not able to disassemble the old wheel. So it ended up in the garbage. I do however, now have a completely assembled wheel. It needs a little clean up and some tweaking along with a little more thickening before it is ready to be cast. I've got an Atomic Physics test on Friday, so I wont have a finished product until this weekend or early next week. I am calling alumilite today to get an RTV kit. Hopefully It will be here by the time that I am ready to mold the wheel. It will also give me some motivation to get the head completed, as I am going to cast it as well so that I don't have to try and duplicate the design. On to the pictures. Let me know what you think!


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black2002ls 03-06-2006 09:06 PM

Got a little more work done this morning and this evening. It will be slow for the rest of the week. I have an atomic test on friday, and a discrete test tomorrow.

Here is what I've finished. I sectioned and reshaped the bumper a bit. I don't like to have the bumper wrap around the car. So I sectioned it and re-shaped the back side a little to allow it to mount in a slightly different location. The drip rails have also been removed for a bit cleaner look. I am still on the fence with the door handles and locks. Not sure If I want to shave them or not. I got my RTV silicone ordered today as well. There are two big steps that are coming up. I've got to create some outer rings for the wheels. I think that I have it figured out, we will see how that works out next week. The suspension is also going to be a BIG challenge (if anyone has some in progress pics of a 3 or 4 link rear suspension on a first gen camaro, also front suspension feel free to share!). Finally I need to make some more progress on the engine. Having the RTV should motivate me enough to get back to work on the heads. Enough rambling, and on to the pictures.

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promax/vennom#16 03-07-2006 11:38 AM

Pics
 
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Here are som pics .Dave

black2002ls 03-10-2006 11:35 AM

A little update for anyone still following this build. I got the holes drilled for the lug bolts. The wheel will be 3 parts. The outer ring, the wheel center, and then the hub mount. They holes for the lug bolts are overdrilled. The holes that will be drilled in the hub mount will be smaller for the actual lug bolts. My RTV showed up yesterday so once I get the wheel cleaned up it will be cast, along with the sectioned rear bumper.


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FreddyBoy Design 03-10-2006 12:04 PM

Looks really good Russel, been following this from the beginning.
Nice to see someone modify a 1:12 kit, most seem to build large scale models bone stock...
Itīll be very interesting to see the finished wheels, Iīm going to have my wheels for my 1:12 camaro CNC-machined :unibrow:

Keep up the progress!

/Fredrik (DukeMan)

black2002ls 03-10-2006 12:08 PM

I wish I could afford to have some machined. I talked to the guy at MAS on here, and He said it would run between 100 and 150 just for sleeves. I've got to leave for work in a bit. I am working on cleaning up the master for the wheels. The bumper is next. Hopefully I'll get a chance sunday to pour the molds.

To clean them up. I am hitting them with primer. Then sanding to finr the high and low spots. Sanding them out and re-priming. After they are cleaned up I'll hit them with a clear coat. that should give a nice smooth finish for the finished products when they are pulled from the mold.

If I decide to stagger the wheel sizes I'll have to go through this again. After I have the sleeves done, I think this might end up scaling out to 20" A bit bigger than I had planned, But generally on models, you have to size up a little bit for them to look right.

black2002ls 03-10-2006 12:11 PM

Oh, I plan on casting the rear bumper too. If you are interested in on, shoot me a pm

black2002ls 03-22-2006 07:32 AM

alas, the wheels are finally finished. well the centers anyway. I got the mold done finally and have some successful casts. They will require some clean up but overall I am happy with them. I also think that I have found a solution for the sleeves. After all is said and done, they will scale out to 20" wheels. A bit larger than I had hoped for. I didn't realize it until it was too late. More often than not on these cars, a size bigger usually looks just right. On to the pictures

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