9 sec pt cars
 

allright fellas, I need your helping in winning an discussion with my buddy who is the "traditional" drag car car, and doesn't like pt cars, but he's helping me on mine :D anyway, if you guys could send some pics/links to show him that there are some 9 sec pt cars that can do more than go in astraight line. thanks again! :lateral:

Never happened....


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Vinny has done it with his Blue 68?. Car has air ride and lifts the tires on launch. gets autocrossed regularly as well.

Tony, Nineball(I think he's on here too), went 10s with a 69 he had a few years ago. Magnacharged 6.0. It lifted the front on launch as well.

Trey --

10's aren't 9's...

HUGE difference


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True, but 10s are damn good and Vinny's car has gone 9s on spray 10s without.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-KzUwTvb5I :unibrow:

Okay -- Nice!! Notice him pushing the front tires thru the lights... Needs a trans brake!

Now -- what's his Auto X look like??

I was kinda hoping I might hit an 8..... :_paranoid

skip to about the one minute mark, the rest is just talking :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpuivFnf2bo

Damn that big block sounds good. Only 496 cubes...:unibrow:

Actually he won RTTHs a couple years ago. Vinny is a driver and the car is fast in every way.

I think a PT car that can drag race is a cool idea. I have PT cars, I have a drag car. Someday I would like to build something to do both.

Dude....that's a great idea.

Bretts 70 Firebird "Splitter" 9.3s? https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...light=splitter

Hope you learn something from this thread Greg.

But if I didn't challenge the notion -- it wouldn't set everyone out to prove me to be an idiot! That's why I lob grenades in threads all the time... it MAKES people think and dig... :rofl:

Frank! I know a shop that could do that for ya!
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Im hoping my car will go 8's. But that'll be in "drag trim"

Im taking a prostreet car and going with some nice street wheels, adding a very nice interior, AC, heat, etc.....Goal is to have a car that i can drive anywhere. Run 8's in the 1/4 and well over 200mph in the mile. Im thinking 1300+ wheel should do that pretty well. Then maybe a gear vendors added to the Lenco :thumbsup:

The cover car for Super Chevy a while ago was a blue 69 camaro that ran 10:30's on detroit speed suspension... but than again :_paranoid

I was going to mention Project Splitter as well. I believe Brett did get it into the 9's on the dragstrip(using a different set of front and rear tires) but I don't recall seeing him ever road racing or autocrossing it as it was also designed to do. If I remember correctly, I believe the weight(4100+lbs) might have kept it from being effective in road racing. Maybe the new owner made some mods. Who knows. The lumpy carbureted large displacement big block might cause some people to argue about it being 'pro-touring', but it seems like a pro-touring car to me, and it did run 9's with a tire swap.

I have 18s for my street drag car with ladder bars, doesn't mean it handles cause it has 18s.

Autocrossing and Road Racing with a Lenco? Hum! Got me thinking now!

No autocrossing for me. I will have the car on a road course at least once im sure just to say ive done it. It will see ALOT of street time and spend some time at the Texas mile and local drag strips pretty often as well.:thumbsup:

Tracking a car with a Lenco sounds like a liability

It wont be a serious all out run, just to run around a road course so the car has done it. Goal is to have a street car i can drive anywhere, run 8's in the 1/4 and 200+ in the mile. I cant think of any other trans that will support the power it takes to push a heavy car that far. Ive had way to much bad luck with T56's in the past to put those in any high hp vehicle

I don't want to start an argument here - mostly because I don't really "care" - but an 8 second car is all about weight transfer to the rear - and hooking up - and a 200 mph + car is all about keeping the wind out of the bottom and downforces and low drag.... and Lencos are drag race pieces... and drag race tires and widths are one thing - and 200 mph tires and wheels are quiet different.

And I'll stand by my statement === 10's are WAY different than 9's - and 8's are even more serious... and a 9.98 is a 10 in my book not a legitimate 9....
while it might be semantics... it's 2 one hundredths into the 9's -- which is not a 9.3 car... or anywhere near it.

Just saying.... The argument that was trying to be settled was -- run 9's and handle a road course.... I suppose a guy could say it ran 9.98 and he is technically correct... but 10's and 9's are vastly different. As in about 10 car lengths at the end of a quarter mile assuming equal lights. That is a HUGE difference....

I tell all my customers that want this type of car. "You can build a great street car OR a great race car. If you try to build both you end up with a slow race car and an uncomfortable street car! :yes:

You have to make too many compromises to get a "best of both world" setup. Suspension that works in a straight line and is adjustable doesn't like to turn, and one that turns doesn't like to transfer weight / have adjustments for track conditions. Just my $.02

Greg must be a drag race guy because his logic is dead on. Some guys will try to make 9's with spray and stages but those cars are not usually very consistant. I have assembled a lot of high HP engines at my friend Joes, but he tells all of his clients HP is just one part of the equation to get into the 9's or to any other desired ET. (You gotta Hook up) to get to the other end.

That was my point.... but I don't like arguments... and there's always someone willing to argue... But the two contests are vastly different cars... and PT is vastly different from drag racing...

If you look at my first post - where I say "Never happened" -- I post up TWO ROFLMA faces.. because first of all I KNOW that I was poking fun at the whole notion... but also know there are some SMOKIN' quick PT cars... a car that runs 12's is pretty sweet... and a car capable of 10's is really getting the job done -- and REAL 9's (9.1 - 9.2 - 9.3 - 9.4 -- because anything else is 9.5's which is a different car altogether)...

When I pit crewed for McCulluch and Whipple - the difference between 7.1 and a 7.0 was a WORLD RECORD... :rofl:

The video of the blue Camaro is really impressive btw! :thumbsup:

Isn't that kind of the point of PT. Have a car capable of doing multiple things reasonably well? I do agree that it makes for a slow race car but not neccesarily an uncomfortable car. It's when you get inot full cages, race belts on the street, no AC or radio, high rate coil springs, solid motor mounts, that is gets uncomfortable. It all comes down to your goals. There has to be a line where it's no longer a PT car. That is one of the downsides I can see with the Optima Challenge and other events. The competitive juices may eventually make some of us lose site of the original finish line. A car just as capable of going out to dinner with the AC on and your favorite tunes blasting as it is on the race track.

I'll give you a perfect example of walking the line between race and pt. If it was race only I could've spent $250 on a new clutch disc. But I want a bullet proof clutch on the race track that won't chatter on the street. Thus $900 later I have a new clutch.

Todd --

Your statement is well thought out... and the COBRA (Optima Invitational) which won hands down - is not a PT car.... never was... never will be. The cars it beat... were arguably the very very best of the PT scene... and while they were beat by mere seconds (or 10ths of seconds - and stopping distances measured in feet not yards)... Those mere 10ths seemed like miles when you were watching it. It was vastly superior... but Gwen nor Kelli would want to go downtown in it. Well.... maybe.... :rofl:

Well this thread has made me decide to scrap my next project plans. I was planning to build an 8 second shopping cart! I knew multi tasking was a bad idea! :_paranoid

JR -- Check out the "pump gas drags" -- where the cars are driven on the street - get a limited amount of gas - and a couple are "into" the 8's... Many of the "street cars" couldn't even finish the 30 mile drive to the track... I can't imagine them competing in an auto cross -- or being "drivable" at 200 mph... Which BTW to me is not "hitting 200 mph" but driving a flying mile at 200... big difference from "hitting" 200....

So what would you consider an 8 second muscle car that can be driven anywhere with all the luxuries of a newer more comfortable car. AC/Heater/sound system/comfy interior, etc.... That can also go well over 200 in the mile? It doesn't sound like that fits the bill for "protouring" Handling has never been my biggest concern hence my starting off with a prostreet based car and turning it more to the street side, but making enough power to go do whatever i would like to do. :cheers:

I wouldn't call anything with a Lenco or Liberty a street car to begin with. A cage that's legal for an 8sec car is not only a pain in the ass in a street car, but likely dangerous to be in without being strapped in and wearing a helmet.

That's a good point. That cobra really is a purpose built race car and isn't what most of us consider an ideal pro-touring car. The second place finisher was really the winner in our circle in my eyes. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have one and Kelli would jump in anyday!

Why not? Ive daily driven much worse.

Junkie --

Okay -- go here....

http://www.dragtimes.com/Lamborghini...ag-Racing.html

Then come back here -- and tell me what you're going to build that is going to SPANK this car by TEN --- COUNT 'em TEN - car lengths in the quarter mile....

Maybe you could do an 8.99 and beat it by a nose....?? And "say" you ran 8's?


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vinnys car hauls, we built the 496 combo. It runs 10.60 flat on motor, ran the 9.98 on a 100 shot, but the progressive controller took a dump and 100 shot is all the tires wanted, he actually needed to run a wot switch on that run however he had to arm the nx after he was out of the hole.lol. hes got got the new progressive controller and will give it a 200 shot over a few seconds and see what it does. I am betting 9.60s

Ive very familiar with the underground racing cars. Ive currently got a TT Viper street car. Just because it is new doesn't mean it is comfy or a nice "street" car by any means. The Lambo's those guys build are CRAZY after seeing them at the Mile i would love to have one but for the money i would personally rather build exactly what i want out of an older car.

I never said i ran 8's, i said my goal is an 8 second ET and well over 200mph in the texas mile while being able to drive the car out to dinner, to car meets, to anything i really want. Why do you have a problem with those goals?

Is he running DIFFERENT tires than he runs on the street?

The cars at OPTIMA could not change suspension settings - and could not change tires... To me (IMHO) this is a big difference... because if you can do all this on ONE SET of STREET tires and wheels... that's pretty dang impressive!

Vinnies car is very impressive by the way -- nice job! You could tell from the smile on his face HE LOVES IT... and after all... that's all that really counts.
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