Project, "She Devil"
 

To all:

Finally, with the help of Ben Hermance, and Jake Parrott, I think we have enough of what we need to get the project started officially.

Concept/Story:

She's a natural beauty with graceful classic lines. Driven to Hell, to become a Devil on the, "Trans Am", Race Tracks of the Past. She continues Evolving through the Nurturing of Modern Performance Engineering, and the Harsh Environment of High Stress Competition.

"Bettie", as I've decided her pet name to be, is based on the Similarities these two share by way of Images I've seen, and the stories I've read of the famous Pin Up, "Bettie Page".

There were a number of things about this car that have been 30 years in the making. I had a 1969 Camaro in High School, and before I had finished with it, I had to sell it to go to College. I really needed the Money, and I was able to get $4800 for it to start College. That was in 1980, and a LOT of Money for a '69 Camaro back then.

Since then, Technology has taken a Quantum Leap forward in Aerodynamic Design, Chassis and Suspension Technology, and the Drivetrain Choices that are available. All this, and the "Pro Touring" building style being developed has made my goal to encompass as many of these developments as I could, while retaining a nice driving Street Legal Car.

This has become a Labor of Love, regardless of the industry Norms, and the Mainstream Accepted Trends it might upset.

Chassis and Suspension: JRS Apex C6 Front Subframe, DSE Subframe connectors, JRS Modified Lateral Dynamics 3-Link

The chassis is composed of one aftermarket front Subframe from Jakes Rod Shop. "JRS Apex C6 Subframe" It is connected via DSE Subframe connectors and a 12 point Roll Cage, to a very modified rear subframe. Two Firewalls, (One fore/One Aft)

Weight Jacks on all 4 Corners

The JRS Apex C6 Subframe Suspension will consist of upgraded C6 Corvette Components. The rear will be modified for a more performance oriented Lateral Dynamics 3 link Suspension.

Genesis Cockpit Adjustable Front and Rear Sway Bars

Front: Penske 8300 Double Adjustable Shocks

Rear: Spax Double Adjustable Shocks

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DriveTrain: Mast Motorsports LS-3 427 SS, Keisler R/T-56 6 Speed Dogbox, Strange 9 inch Housing, Nodular Iron Center Section, Tru-Trac posi unit with 3.89:1 Gears

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Car Exterior Cooling System(s)

Radiator Brand TBA, Fan Mark VIII

Oil Coolers for the Engine, Gear Box, and Rear End will be used to help components last with the Belly Pan

Front and Rear Brakes will be Ducted
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Brakes:

Front: Wilwood 6 Pot Calipers, 13 inch two piece Rotors.

Rear: Wilwood 4 Pot Calipers with Parking Brake, 13 inch two piece Rotors

Wilwood: Proportioning Valve

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Body and Modifications:

Body Year: A 1969 Camaro Base, with 1970 Camaro Top, and with the "A" Pillar leaned in an Additional + 4* Hopefully this will Help clean up the Aerodynamics, and still use only parts that were being sold as "NEW" during the same year. (ie. Some 1969 Camaro's were sold into the Early part of the 1970 Year, as the 2nd Generation Camaro's were not ready yet with the newer Body Style. There were places that sold the second Generation Camaro's as the "1970 1/2" models, with the 1969 Models being sold initially as 1970 models.) Since this was the case, we took and blended the two years together to enhance Performance and Styling and to build a true 1970 1/2 Camaro.

Body Materials: Steel, Fiberglass, Carbon Fiber, Aluminum

Body Additions: Adjustable Dive Plane (Canards), Adjustable Splitter, Adjustable Spoiler, Diffusor

Lower Body Pan: Full Belly pan with wind vanes and Tunnels

Mirrors: Talbot 4 inch, Brushed Aluminum

Some Body Features will be altered or removable, depending on type of driving being done.

Due to using the Belly Pan, a number of Vents will be used to evacuate Hot Air out of the Engine Compartment. (Placement in Rendering is approximate location)

Will Try and Create a True "Ground Effects" car, By Shaping the Underside, and the Exterior for Decreased Lift and Wind Turbulence, and Increased Down force and Stability.

Tow Hooks Front and Rear

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Interior:

Recaro Topline "Style" Seats. Full Leather with Heating and Cooling.

"Cool Suit" Hook Up's and Controls with Cooler, for Track Days

Two Person intercom installed

Vintage Air

3 Section FIre Systems

Modified Sparco Steering Wheel w/ Control Panel Added

Extra Wide Rear View Mirror

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Wiring: "Isis"

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Wheels/Tires: (One Set will be for Wet/Dry, the other for Dry Only)

Front: 17X10 PS Engineering, "T/A II", aka "Mini-Lites", with 285 mm or Larger Depending on Fender Modification.

Rear: 17X12 PS Engineering, "T/A II", aka "Mini-Lites", with 315-335 Tire Brand TBA

Front: 17X10 Kenesis 3-Piece Wheels 285mm

Rear 17X11 Kenesis 3-Piece Wheels 315mm

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There are many things I'm sure I have forgotten. As things start to come together, I would enjoy answering (Or at least Trying to Answer) any questions you might have. It will take a while, but we are getting things pretty planned out. Most things are sourced, the logistics are coming together, however there are still plenty of hurtles.

Jake Parrott, Ben Hermance, and myself have been working on this project already for a number of months. Due to the many Design elements it has taken a while to get them resolved. Ben has been a huge help cyphering my unintentional cryptic directions and notes.

I feel confident that Jake will do a terrific job on this project, and help make these ideas into something Beautiful. We should have plenty of pictures.

I truly welcome ANY and ALL Comments on this Build. Both Pro and Con, along with your reasons. I am very interested in your thoughts.

Take care and thanks for reading.

Sincerely,

Ty O'Neal

holy shi* ty, that car is gonna be out of this world!i had no idea your project was gonna be that intense.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Subscribing...interesting ideas. Looking forward to seeing some progress.

LOVE it! :thumbsup:

Very nice Ty!!!!:thumbsup:
Nice rendering Ben!:thumbsup:

Dang! That thing is awesome looking! This will be a good one to watch be built and then watch run the courses!!

Now post up a better copy of that rendering so I can save it to my screen saver. :lol:

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Awesome rendering and project. You've got great people working on it and its well planned out. This will be fun to watch it come together. Good Luck with it.

That is a very cool project, I love the body designs to the rear! Do you have a timeline for this car on completion?

HMMM a couple similarities, but the "AMX" roof is definitely thinking outside the box.

very nice Ty, you are in good hands and hope to see more of this project.


vince

Thanks for the opportunity to help Ty and thanks for the comments on the rendering guys. There's some really impressive modified 69 Camaros coming out in the next year or two, I can't wait to see them done. From what I've seen, they're all pretty extreme but have different goals and different flavors...something for everyone! :thumbsup:

OMFG - Ty you have lost your mind and I love it

SO who is doing the fab work or are you doing it.

The rendering looks a little busy with all the scoops, numbers, stripes and lettering but I freakin love the idea behind the build. Can't wait to see this take shape.

-Dave

Hi Guys!

Sorry I've been absent, I had to put my wife in the Hospital as she has pneumonia. She will be fine, I've just been hanging out with her at the Hospital the last couple of days and being supportive.

I'll catch up real soon.

Thanks,

Ty

Family is way more important.
Hope she gets well soon buddy Ty!:thumbsup:

looks like my kinda project... I appreciate going against the modern silly big wheel look and using the lighter, more reasonable 17" diameter to keep the unsprung weight down. It will look way better than the rendering too with some tire on it.

do you have any side view renderings or rear iso to get a better idea of what that 2nd gen roof line looks like on it? Going with the "fastback" shape on the 69 is definitely thinking outside of the box.

edit - I just noticed the box next to the pic - I overlooked it/didn't see it 'til I went back after my post but I can see the roofline just fine there.

Family First always

Have you considered the negative effects for future resale?

I really would care about resale if I was gonna build this mcuh of a car I believe this one will be a keeper!!! And who cares about resale if you want resale go stock.

People love to say that, until the time comes when they do want to sell the car, and then complain no one wants it. But just blame that on the economy, ;) .

Every dog has it's day. I get the "I thought I'd live here forever" quite often in my business. I'm just pointing out another perspective, not bashing his project. I always think of resale. Of course, I'm in sales. :unibrow:

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Dave:

Thanks for writing.

There will probably be some modifications as some of the logistics are worked out both the the final design and way a couple graphics are handled.


Thanks,

Ty

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T_Raven:

Me either. lol

Actually Jake is getting the subframe ready and should hopefully be sending some pictured pretty soon.

Thanks,

Ty O'Neal

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Curtis:

I'd love to post a really big one, but it is pretty limited how large can be posted. If you want a larger size email me.

Take care,

Ty

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Camaroguy:

I'd like to have it in the 4th Quarter. I don't want the build to last forever, I want to be driving her asap.

You know, places to go and Rubber to Burn!!

Thanks,

Ty O'Neal

Thank you, I appreciate it.

I will probably need it.

Regards,

Ty O'Neal

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I'm going to do some of the interior, some technical designs, and I hope to build the Aero Parts. I would really like to try some of the reayl well designed ones I've seen. Since most of the speeds will be fairly slow ( < 100 mph) the designs will have to be more aggressive so hopefully some benefit can be realized by having them on the car.

Jake will be doing a lot of the "Heavy Lifting". I still don't have a lot of strength in my shoulder yet. I have a number of months left on that.

Ty

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Ty:

Thanks for the encouragement.

Regards,

Ty

BTW: Cool Name:D

byndbad:

Love the 914!

First favorite car I ever had. I think I was about 8 y.o. at the time. I caught the bug early.

I think the subtle line changes will make working with the wind a bit easier. I really want to study and play around with that aspect of this car.

I want to get it to work first. If it also looks cool, all the better.

Same with the wheels. In testing if it needs more rake, and I can't get what I need out of the suspension adjustments, I can always put a taller wheel/tire combination on it.

Plus, by being able to lower the car easily, I think working with a smaller Diameter Wheel/Tire combination is a no brainer.

Thanks for writing,

Ty O'Neal

Negative effects?

Pray Tell?

I'm interested.

Ty

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I was wondering exactly what was meant by the question. I am welcome to ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS!! I just want to clarify one every now and then.

I bought this Pro-Touring Car from someone who had also changed it. I'm really not planning on selling her anytime soon. I've waited since 1979 to have this one and that was Too Damn Long!! :D

Plus, I think if the workmanship is good, it will always have value to someone. I sincerely think "Pro-Touring" is here to stay, and we are all probably still in the early stages of it.

Looking at the Street Rod area of Building, I doubt there are any Truly new things someone can do in that area.

I'm glad that this car has some "Hopefully", genuinely fresh ideas on it, plus some real functionality.

I would worry about resale if I got rid of my cars. But other than a Pick up Truck and a Harley, I still have just about every car since the mid 80's.

1986 Porsche 928s
1965 Riviera
1997 Suburban
1998 MB ML 320
1987 MB 300 SDL
Looking for a TR3 for my wife.

I'll let my Grand kids worry with what to do with them.

Ty
"She Devil"

I think if a car has good workmanship, and a well thought out design, there will Always be a segment of the population that will want it. The Graphics and everything on this car will be a "Film", like they do on Police Cars, so I can change it if I want, or If I just want a RED car, I'll have it stripped off.

I plan to advertise on this car also for my Real Estate Business, or a different Venture I'm looking into. I know it will get a lot of attention, moving or sitting still. Helping to save myself some advertising dollars helps pay the car off anyway at least a little bit. Plus, I'm hoping some of the names on the car, "Jakes Rod Shop", "Hermance Design", and the S.C.T.A. Road Runner Car Club, will get a call or five off of having their names on a neat looking car.

We will see how well it generates any action.

I'll Live and Learn.

Thanks,

Ty O'Neal
"She Devil"

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Todd:

You are right. 99.99% of the time I will base any large capital expense on the residual value of the asset when I'm finished with it, AND you're not bashing.

Don't worry about that, even if you were I'd take it in stride. I've been in sales to, "Thick Skin", you know!

I hope everyone feels free to say anything they want about it or me. The design is out of the box a bit, and with that I knew it wouldn't be everyones cup of tea.

I love this hobby, and ideas from anyone who want to add to the conversation is welcome. Besides, "Paybacks a Bitch, Right??":unibrow: Just kidding.

This is an indulgence for me. A break from Serious Business and the Stress of Life. I'm just looking to have a great time playing with it, and seeing if I can get some utility out of it over and above it being a toy. (Without Killing Myself)

Speak freely please.

Take care,

Ty O'Neal

Hey man, it's your dream so make it a reality. That was just the first thought I had because it's never been done to my knowledge. Keep us updated on the project.

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Todd:

I'll be more than happy to keep everyone updated on the progress. I'll also be sure and tell everyone the things I have found that don't work worth a damn as I come across them.

No sense in someone else making the same mistake. Hopefully they will be few and far between.

Take Care,

Ty O'Neal
"She Devil"

That sounds really good Ty. Will be on the lookout for updates!
GOOD LUCK!:thumbsup: :cheers:

Not trying to start anything with Todd. But I'm sure that Ty is not gonna sell. Enough with all of this on to the car...:cheers:

To Everyone:

Sorry for the delay, my wife has had a relapse and I had to put her back in the Hospital for severe Dehydration. They Gave her tons of Fluids, 2 units of Blood, Oxygen, and now some PT, as She has become weak through this experience.

I am terribly concerned with her health, and until she recovers, I will only be focused on her and will only be able to post every now and then. If this is too much information, I apologize.

If you wouldn't mind, please continue to keep her in your thoughts and Prayers.

With God's help and great Doctors she'll be home soon.

Thanks,

Ty O'Neal

Your absolutely right! I will keep her in my prayer. Stay strong.

Sorry to hear that TY. Stay strong. I hope for a quick recovery for your wife. The car can wait. I will keep you two in my prayers.