67 Camaro - Dad and Son build
 

Well Ill give a bit of history on the car and will try to update as we go, have problems, questions ect. The car was a plane jane 1967 camaro that has been in my family since 1969. My grandfather worked for GM his whole life and in 1967 when the camaro came out a manager at where my grandfather worked got a 1967 camaro in butternutt yellow with a 327, powerglide and not to many options. Well in 1969 when the body was revised that manager wanted to get a 1969 camaro. So his 1967 was then put up for auction and my grandfather having 6 kids all around the driving age put a bid in of $200 for the car. Well as the story has it he won the car. My dad tells me stories of when my grandfather brought the car home and he wanted the car. The car was then passes along the girls (my aunts) up untill 1991 where it was then parked. My dad always told himself that one day he would have the car. Around 2000 me and my dad went and picked the car up from my aunts house. We picked at the car little by little not really knowing where to start. Up untill now.

I have been doing alot of research and I think/hope these are going to be the final plans for the car. I will be getting pictures up the next time I am at the car. We plan on holding off on the body as it pretty much needs everything at this point and we have decided for this summer to try to tackle the mechanical stuff and make the car a great driver first. Please if you have some opinions/comments share. Input is always a good thing. The goal for the car is going to basically be a great cruiser with a couple of dragstrip trips in store and mabye road/auto course later down the road. We want to be able to run at least mid-low 11's with the car. Around 550-600 wheel. With that in mind..here is the current list..and the current wish list for the car.

Current:

LSX 454 GMPP crate motor
FAST lsxr 102 intake
FAST Fuel rails
Nick Williams 102mm Throttle body
C6 Front Accesory drive
Mast Motorsport Oil pan
S&P Motor adapters
Energy Suspension motor mounts
Energy Suspension Poly Kit
Speed tech solid aluminum body mounts
Custom subframe connectors
QA1 front coil-overs
Corbeau CR1 Front seats
Forgeline DS3- 18 x 8.5, 18 x 12
Wilwood 12.1 drilled/slotted -6 piston(front) 4 piston(rear)
Ricks Stainless Tank (efi)
Moser 12 bolt ( 35 spline, wavetrac, 3.73)
prodigy 4 link w/ QA1 coil-overs
DSE mini tub
6 point custom cage
Anvil Carbon fiber (cowl panel, header panel, front spoiler, hood, trunk)



Wish list:

T56 Magnum 6-speed kit
Anvil Carbon fiber (rear spoiler)
Stainless brake lines
225-245/40/18, 335/30/18 tires
Headers
Wiring Harness, ecu, sensors, ect..
Injectors

Stuff for sale:

Rs fenders(original)
Cowl panel (original)
Doors (original)
ls2 engine covers (shaved)
NOS gm 2" cowl hood

So the following has been order.:
Moser 12 bolt rear 3.73 gear 35 spline wavetrack diff.
Wilwood full brake set up. 6 piston up front and 4 piston in the rear 12.1 drilled/slotted rotors all around.
Ricks stainless steel tank set up for efi.

Big thanks to frank over at prodigy customs..next up is the t56 magnum and the lsx 454 soon after that...its going to be an awsome summer and I have been waiting and dreaming of doing this with me father for the last 10 years...

Heres an update from last week..we have takin apart almost the whole car and are waiting till next winter or summer to tackle the body. Its just to much money to put out at once...we basically need everything body wise so we decided to just get the car in perfect working order first and then worry about how it looks. With that being said the whole car is basically stripped and ready for some new parts. Here is where we are at now.

Ready for the pull, bye bye old 327 and powerglide...
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Out and conquered...haha
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Also heres my other car that ive had since highschool thanks to my dads help...its my daily also..
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and having alittle fun
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and another project I have going on..this will be my daily once its done..
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and one of the car I finished (old dd) and sold for a ring for my fiancee
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I guess you can say I like cars....the camaro was and always will be my first love though...

Welcome to the site. Sounds like a great project, can't wait to see some pics.

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Very cool project....I love to hear about these Father - Son projects! Best of luck with it and enjoy the journey!! :cheers:

Great project working with your father. Keep the pictures coming

welcome to the place were inovation never sleeps.looks like a cool project cherrish the years that you and your father can spend together.keep your dreams alive .;)

From one STi owner to other!

G/L on build.

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Thanks man..I was reading your thread the other day..I love black..but my camaro will be a deep yellow...but the black always temps me..yours looks great..is she running yet?

Everyone knows how I feel about father and son projects. Very cool stuff. And those STIs are like the muscle car of the rice world to me. Cannot deny there baddness!

Love the STI's man. Nice cars.
Would love to have one as a daily driver, maybe with some mods!!:unibrow: :_paranoid Keep us posted on your father/son build.:thumbsup:

Thanks guys..the body is going to look like hell but she'll have everything she needs to run with the best of em..haha..project A.G.N.S ..haha..

Heres where the car is at right now..
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old frame..
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and new.
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and compairson.
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Much better!:thumbsup:

Alright guys..need some help here...EFI or Carb? Heres the motor Im going with:
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I have questions for both. I have done research on both and from what I have gathered EFI seems to be more expensive for this motor because I basically need everything..enlighten me please..

EFI:
All wiring
ECU
Tune
All Accessories
Injectors
Intake Manifold
Ignition Coils
Throttle body
Oil Pan
Oil pump pick up
Headers

Carb:
Carb (What size, Manufacturer?)
Ignition (MSD 6010 or 19171130 off of www.crateenginedepot.com ?)
Intake Manifold (19244033 off of www.crateenginedepot.com or Edelbrock?)
All Accessories (Which kit will fit the stock subframe and go it with out any/too much modification?
19243525 off of www.crateenginedepot.com
19155066 off of www.crateenginedepot.com
19155067 off of www.crateenginedepot.com
Oil Pan (19212593 off of www.crateenginedepot.com) fit stock subframe?
Oil pump pick up
Headers

Ive tried to see what others have done with this motor but because it is new not many have run it that I can find..I believe it is the same set up as a ls7 correct..? I dont want to just rule out EFI untill I know it is not suited for me. The car will be a nice cruiser with some drag strip trips in store. I feel like I might be leaning to carb set up because it seems to be easier and I just want to really weight both options fully. Help me guys. Thanks Steven

Well stuff is starting to come in..its wilwood heaven..here is some quick pictures..

emmm...6 piston..
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theres the old man holding some two piece goodness..
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hopefully well see the rear soon.. Big Thanks To Frank and all the prodigy customs guys...A+++ service..

Alright so I went to the old mans house last night and started putting the brake kit together. Still need to strip the old drum hubs and get them all ready but that will probley be tonight or this weekend..hope to have the brakes pretty wraped up by monday.. heres some pictures..and btw safety wiring is not fun...

Heres me and my younger brother trying to figure it all out..
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Me messing around..
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Slowly getting there..
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and we brought the wheels out for test fitting..
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front and back...
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more updates coming soon..

Very nice thread, Keeps us updated.

...Man, I wish my dad liked old classic's too. Instead my dad tells me every time I see him to tow my car to the junk yard. lol.


:cheers:

Very cool. Keep us posted.:thumbsup:

It looks like your enjoying your build. Getting the work done while your having fun is the best of both worlds. Keep us posted.

Thanks guys..got most of the front brakes together this weekend...alot more steps then I would have thought of..but overall not to bad..cleaned up the old spindals and they look so much better...Ill have some pictures up soon..and the rear should be here today or tomm from moser..so install soon..:thumbsup:

as promised..got the pass side all wraped up and looking good...

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Hoping the rear comes today..:thumbsup:

Great Father and Son story. You'll have great memories from this.

I waited too late to start on my build with my Father (he passed in '04) but I know he is watching.

Thanks for the photos. Look forward for more.

looking great!

i need to figure out how to safety wire the brakes if i decide to keep my car. Are those the factory spindles?

-Dan

Thanks man, ill keep them coming as long as we are moving alone and theres something to do. :thumbsup:

Yea it takes some time to figure it out..I messed with that tool for at least a half an hour trying to figure out how to work it ..then finally viewed a video on youtube and it all clicked. Just read the instructions well and take your time and youll be fine. Theres a diagram on the instructions on how to safety wire (which way ..ect)..Yes they are the stock drum spindals..depending on if you have drum or disc spindals depends on the hardware you use to bolt the caliper adapter plate to it. If you have any questions feel free to ask me. :thumbsup:

ok. I have the stock drum brakes on the car right now. and I'll need to contact frank to see if he can send me some safety wire that usually comes with his kits.

-Dan

Franks the man. :thumbsup:

Speaking on Frank..the rear will be here today. Also anyone know any good sites or links to an exploded view of the front end..like down to the nut and bolt..? Torque specs for the front end also..? Im almost ready to start putting it together but I want to get all my info together first. Thanks Steven

well its here and I finally got to open up the box and work on it some...not the best pictures but they will do for now..The rear was ordered with no finish as me and my dad said we would just por-15 it in the same black that we did the front frame. We got it all out, set it up and did the first two steps of the process..degrease, then rinse with water, metal ready, then rinse with water again...let dry...open up the can of por-15 and its solid as a rock..so we order more paint today and hopefully well have it by the weekend. We should have what we need after its painted to put the rear all together as a rolling assembly.

As for the front frame when we had the powder coater do the front arm and other little things we didnt think about the ball joints and sure enough they where toast. So we ordered new upper and lower ball joints and they should be here by friday also. We also ordered the AIM manual and the alingment shims. Hopefully the sub frame can be a rolling assembly also soon. Anyone care to chime in on if I have the steering arms mounted correctly? I believe they are to face twords the rear of the car...
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Onto the pictures...

OHHHH AAHHHH
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sanded and ready for some paint
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For your Energy Suspension Poly Kit, I think we have the same kit. I am planning to look for the new updates for this kit. :D:thumbsup:

Ok so the box from ricks camaro never came and I wanted to do the front end today also. At least get the new ball joints pressed in the upper and lower arms..but no fedex. So I just worked on the rear. The por-15 came in yesterday so I went over to my dads and painted the rear with two coats. After that I put the rear brake assembly together and the alxes in. Also grabbed the rear wheels to see what there gonna look like. Here are the pictures..

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Mabye tommorow I will get over there and start on the front frame..if not deff by tuesday...more updates coming soon..:cheers:

Looks good man!:thumbsup:

thanks man...Got the box from ricks late on saturday..I will be putting the front frame together tonight if all goes well...:thumbsup: More pictures and updates coming soon.

Ok..after many curse words and a couple busted/bruised body parts. I finally have the start of the front assembly together. Not the best of pictures but its better than nothing. I have to get the caps for the upper control arms still and get all the steering cleaned up and gather my bearings on what Im going to need to buy. In other news the Stainless tank should be here sooner than later...next up. Brake lines and mabye por-15 some stuff...more updates coming soon..

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Looks good man!:thumbsup:

looks good. Father son projects are great!

got the s/s tank from ricks...thanks frank!! next on the list is the transmission..brake lines, and fuel lines..more updates coming soon..big install once the tranny is ordered and arrives..heres some quick blurry pictures..

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Gotta love those tanks!:bow:

Nice work. Sweet looking tank.

alright ladies/gentleman its been a while but money and time don't grow on trees. Late in the summer we had someone come by and take a look at my shell. Basically the guy told us to even start with that shell your looking at 25k. Well that is out of the question. So me and my dad have been eying this shell. Only problem is that is was over 5 hours away. So we saved up and made the trip this past weekend. After a 14 straight hours and many miles..here what we got.

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so me and my dad rented a 6'x12' enclosed trailer from uhaul only to get there after a 5 plus hours drive and realize that the smallest opening on the trailer is 5 1/2' so there is no pulling the car on..had to lift the car in the air over the trailer and then lower it. To say it was tight was an understatement. But all in all it was worth it because now it all done.

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and now I need franks help. The car I got has one of your 4 link set ups on it. The problem is my rear does not have the brackets I need. The guy I bought everything off of said that they make a bracket (in the picture to the left) that can be bolted to the leaf spring mount.The other bracket (in the picture to the right) has to be welded on to my rear. I need to know where to find that bracket and also the dimensions or some kind of guide as to where to weld those on at. Any help is greatly appreciated guys. Thanks and talk to you soon, Steven

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Very cool project. Love the STI.

Very nice. I have an extra set of the shock brackets that bolt to spring plate and the tabs that get welded to the housing. When I ordered my housing, it came with some brackets. PM me if you still need the brackets.

Kick ass score on the shell man...definitely worth the trip!

Good luck...keep on wrench'n! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

(hey, if you don't mind, could you PM your specs and price you got on the Rick's tank...in the market for one myself but they are a pretty penny...Thanks!)