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John510 09-22-2010 11:48 AM
Anyone know a good black paint code?
 
I need a good black to paint my car. Preferrably a blue black instead of a brown black. Non metallic PPG or similiar

Thanks!

awr68 09-22-2010 12:50 PM
FWIW, I have heard from many that if you want a great finish of black go single stage.

PM Blake, Pete, or Frank....their black cars always look great!

DOOM 09-22-2010 12:54 PM
H.o.c!!!!!

millerman340 09-23-2010 07:19 AM
GM WA 8555 is straight black with no extra toners.

jy211 09-23-2010 07:26 AM
Toyota black as well :thumbsup:

Musclerodz 09-23-2010 07:57 AM
HOK jet set black is a nice black, but also a transparent black over black base coat.

I have been using PPG DBC9700 with good results. Pretty much same staight black used by many OE manufacturers

GregWeld 09-23-2010 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by awr68 (Post 306906)
FWIW, I have heard from many that if you want a great finish of black go single stage.

PM Blake, Pete, or Frank....their black cars always look great!
PM Todd (Vegas69) or Fesler too.... Chris has done a couple pretty nice black versions and Todd's car is Killer (sorry Blake - :D )

Vegas69 09-23-2010 08:31 AM
Frank won't even tell me the color code. :lol:

J2SpeedandCustom 09-23-2010 11:32 AM
Spies Hecker FP2002, this is their blue black. And the FP stands for factory pack, which means it's premixed at the factory. Another bonus is you can get it in quarts or gallons and you can return any unopened portions... ;)

John510 09-23-2010 12:51 PM
musclerodz,
Thanks for the PPG code. Spies Hecker is out of my budget for this car. This is just a driver I am putting together to sell.

Musclerodz 09-23-2010 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by John510 (Post 307125)
musclerodz,
Thanks for the PPG code. Spies Hecker is out of my budget for this car. This is just a driver I am putting together to sell.
DBC9700 is also a fac pac

GM Muscle 09-23-2010 03:35 PM
i used to use duponts 99k then switched to ppg and now use the dbc9700. i will be perfectly honest with you. i paint all day long for a dealership and anytime a black car comes(non metallic) in, i paint the entire panel with 9700 off of the car and dont blend. i have NEVER had a "match" complaint. EVER. IMHO black is black.. just make sure you get full coverage and use a nice high luster clear.. i think the key for black is to use a qualitly clear.

Vegas69 09-23-2010 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GM Muscle (Post 307151)
i used to use duponts 99k then switched to ppg and now use the dbc9700. i will be perfectly honest with you. i paint all day long for a dealership and anytime a black car comes(non metallic) in, i paint the entire panel with 9700 off of the car and dont blend. i have NEVER had a "match" complaint. EVER. IMHO black is black.. just make sure you get full coverage and use a nice high luster clear.. i think the key for black is to use a qualitly clear.
I couldn't' agree less. I had a 2001 Corvette that had a LR quarter replaced and painted by the dealer. That panel always had a brown tint where the rest of the car had a blue tint. I didn't notice unitl after I bought it and saw it in the right light. Always erked me. Once you notice.....

GM Muscle 09-23-2010 07:18 PM
yeah ive noticed a brown hue before, then i applied to more coats of black... its all about coverage. i guess black is black is too bold of a statement for some but at the end of the day it has never failed me personally (besides omni, its definately brown!! lol)... not trying to start an arguement or anything.

67greengt 09-23-2010 07:35 PM
Not sure of the code (DCC9000 comes to mind) - but we've had very good success with PPG's single stage acrylic urethyne paint - CONCEPT is the name of the line. A little trick we've learned is to mix in Clear with the paint; it allows to flow out better and makes for less Orange Peel, also, when color sanding the characteristics of the clear make for an easy wet/sand polish process.

Just my two cents
Good luck!
Tom

Musclerodz 09-23-2010 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GM Muscle (Post 307151)
i used to use duponts 99k then switched to ppg and now use the dbc9700. i will be perfectly honest with you. i paint all day long for a dealership and anytime a black car comes(non metallic) in, i paint the entire panel with 9700 off of the car and dont blend. i have NEVER had a "match" complaint. EVER. IMHO black is black.. just make sure you get full coverage and use a nice high luster clear.. i think the key for black is to use a qualitly clear.
for clear we use 2021. stuff is awesome

GM Muscle 09-24-2010 06:35 AM
We use 2021 as well. By far my favorite clear

brakebuster 09-26-2010 01:00 AM
http://www.sherwin-automotive.com/pr...?product=FA689

sherwin williams has a very nice black single stage and its pretty cheap

J2SpeedandCustom 09-26-2010 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by John510 (Post 307125)
musclerodz,
Thanks for the PPG code. Spies Hecker is out of my budget for this car. This is just a driver I am putting together to sell.
Have you checked on the cost? What does the PPG run a gallon? The Spies black is $232 a gallon. I just painted a GTO this color last month.

Musclerodz 09-26-2010 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamess113 (Post 307548)
Black is most currently not Black, DBC 9700 and 9300 both have variants, not to mention all the other black formulas out there that all have the own variants.

DBC 9700 prime = DMD1683 straight out of the can. That would be my choice.
I just painted my 69 Camaro with DMD1683 and even though the color is the same, it is water compared to DBC9700 factory pak. I had to shoot it with almost no reducer where DBC9700 requires about 75%. Not to mention same price.

Musclerodz 09-27-2010 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamess113 (Post 307615)
In the PPG paint line there are 3 variant or alternate colors of DBC 9700. Lighter then prime, Lighter and yellower than prime and Redder than prime. Not sure why factory pack would be any different than Prime but maybe it's one of the alternates. We have our own mixing bank and mix everything in house and haven't bought a factory pack in about 18 years.

Take the label of your factory and see if there formula under it. I'd like to know the difference between factory pack and prime.

The mix formula for DBC9700 is straight DMD1683, I chaecked before i left with it. Our supplier was out of DBC9700 so that is why I ended up with DMD1683. I promise it has less pigment than the fac pac. Color looks the same especially since we went over DP90 as our sealer.


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