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carbuff 11-28-2010 11:17 PM

1971 Firebird Build ("The Other Woman", a.k.a. Project "T.O.W.")
 
Since I have now officially embarked on my latest project, I thought it was time to create a build thread.

The car is a 1971 Firebird. I purchased this car from South Florida in July of this year. The car appears to be an Esprit, originally a 4-speed car with AC. The car was restored in the early/mid 90's, and it seems to have been driven very little since then. The interior is in overall good condition with just a few common issues (dash pad, console door). The exterior of the car is a mismatch of Trans Am front fenders, rear fender flares, and a fiberglass Formula hood.

I saw a lot of pictures of the car before I purchased it, and I had several phone conversations with the seller. Unfortunately, even after asking many many specific questions (this isn't my first second gen), the car arrived with more rust issues than I was led to believe. The reality is that the car is a good 20-footer. I'm not sure if it's painted in the original Buccaneer Red or not, but the red is a good color on the car. Both lower rear quarters have some rust issues, and some small patches on the lower doors be required. But overall, I felt pretty good about the car for what I paid for it, especially given what I could find locally (ie: much worse for more money).

So it's now November, and I enjoyed driving the car a little bit for the few months that I've owned it. It took me a while to get the title straightened out (lesson learned, make VERY certain that an out-of-state seller really has a title in their name), but once that was done, I got to drive it a bit. And clearing the title was also my last hurdle to clear before starting on the big changes that I have planned for this car...

My goals for this car are pretty simple... I don't want to turn this into a show car. I want to build it to drive it. Specifically, I want to do HPDE events at the local tracks, so my choices in drivetrain and suspension reflect that. I also want to drive the car, so it won't be solely a track car. I won't trade off some comfort for outright performance.

Given those goals, I wanted a car that looks presentable enough as my starting point. I intend to replace all of the mechanicals of the car, but don't really want to dive into bodywork if it can be avoided.

After a lot of research, here is the list of items that I've decided to go with on the car. I managed to score a pretty good eBay LS2 built almost like I wanted it. The suspension was a much more difficult choice at first, as there aren't as many choices available for the second gen cars as there are for the first gens... But I'm very happy with my selection, and I can't wait to get this thing on the road...
  • Engine
    • LS2 402ci
    • Ported L92 Heads
    • Custom Cam (234/242, .602"/.605", 112)
    • Edelbrock Victor Jr. L92
    • FTP 4-barrel 1350cfm Throttle Body
    • F.A.S.T. XFI Controller / Harness
    • Champ LS oil pan / pickup
    • JRS Tri-Y LS headers with 1 7/8" primaries, 3" collectors, ceramic coated
    • Built by Golen Engine Service
    • Expected output of 550-580 engine HP
    • Prodicy Customs / Wegner LS Accessory Drive Kit with AC and remote-reservoir PS pump
    • PRC Radiator / AC Condenser / Oil Cooler / Dual-fan setup
  • Transmission
    • T56 Magnum
    • Prodigy Customs T56 Magnum install package
  • Front Suspension
    • JRS's custom built front Subframe
    • JRS's DOM custom control arms built to C6 dimensions
    • JRS's Monoball control arm bushings
    • C6 uprights / hubs
    • Bilstein single-adjustable coilovers
    • JRS's splined sway bar
    • DSE Subframe bushings / bolt kit
  • Rear Suspension
    • JRS's Torque Arm rear setup
    • JRS's Watt's Link
    • JRS's custom built 9" housing
    • 9" Center Section with 3.89 gears and a True-Trac differential
  • Brakes
    • Front - Baer Pro-Plus System (14" rotors, 6P Calipers)
    • Rear - Baer Pro-Plus System (14" rotors with integrated parking brake, 6P calipers)
    • Front and rear calipers in black with red letters
    • DSE Master cylinder and booster
  • Wheels/Tires
    • Forgeline wheels (undecided on actual style, leaning towards the GA3 or the SO3, I love them both)
      • Front - 18" x 10"
      • Rear - 18" x 12"
    • Tires are undecided, but likely either the Michelin PS2s or the BFG KDWs
      • Front - 275/40/18
      • Rear - 335/35/18
  • Body Mods
    • Trans Am front fenders
    • Trans Am front and rear fender flares
    • VFN Trans Am Fiberglass Shaker Hood
    • DSE Mini-tubs
  • Interior Mods
    • Seats (Sparco or Cobra)
    • Ridetech's Tiger-Cage (still debating whether I will go this route...)
    • Custom Dash Insert with AutoMeter gauges
    • Prodigy Customs Vintage-Air Gen IV package
  • Other
    • VaporWerks Gas Tank
    • DSE Subframe connectors
    • DSE Wiper Motor
    • AAW Classic Update 70-81 Camaro wiring harness with 70-73 Firebird add-on

Those are the big-ticket items that I've decided on so far. Before I get too much further I want to give both Frank at Prodigy and Jake at JRS a big THANX for all of the time and help that they have given me so far. I've spent a lot of time on the phone with both, and they have helped me make a lot of decisions.

So far, I have received the JRS front subframe/suspension, and it's a work of art! I'll post pictures separately. I also have the front and rear Baer brakes. The rear housing is assembled but needs to be powder coated. The engine will be on the engine dyno this week and should be on its way to me by Friday. Most of the rest of the parts are on order and will be shipping over the next month or so...

Oh, about the project 'name'. About 3 weeks after I bought the car, my girlfriend gave me a gift to christen the project. It's a gold Firebird keychain. On the back of the pendant of the keychain was engraved "The Other Woman". Hmm, that didn't take long now did it. ;) But since I plan to use the car frequently on the track, I somehow turned that into "T.O.W.". :) Hopefully I haven't cursed myself with that name choice...

One final note... I wanted to get this post out today, the 1-year anniversary of my father's passing. I owe all of my car knowledge and willingness to take on a project of this magnitude to him, so in many ways this is a tribute to the may things that he taught me.

Ok, enjoy the build, I'll post up some pictures in a few minutes...

carbuff 11-28-2010 11:20 PM

Pictures
 
Here are a few pictures that I was sent before purchasing the car:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/dsc01016.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/dsc01011.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/dsc01013.jpg

carbuff 11-28-2010 11:22 PM

And a few pictures of the interesting work that had been done to the car prior to my receiving it:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/img_0971.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/img_0972.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/img_1026.jpg

carbuff 11-28-2010 11:26 PM

And some of my rust opportunities... Underneath the car is actually surprisingly clean, but I expect that someone just bondoed over some previous problems when the car was restored, and after 15 years or so, those problems have come to the surface...

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/img_1007.jpg

This is the worst spot:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/img_1005.jpg

Also note the runs in the paint... Several spots like that on the car...

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/img_0977.jpg

carbuff 11-28-2010 11:29 PM

On a brighter note, my JRS subframe and suspension!

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/IMG_1295.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/IMG_1309.jpg

carbuff 11-28-2010 11:36 PM

And of course, the 'gift'. :)

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...OtherWoman.gif

Ron in SoCal 11-29-2010 09:17 AM

Hey Bryan - great project and a soild plan. The car should be a screamer! I do hope you don't have a rust 'snowball' on your hands...

tones2SS 11-29-2010 11:16 AM

Very cool Bryan. Should be a great car when complete.:thumbsup:
Keep us posted.

carbuff 11-29-2010 05:35 PM

So I did some work over the weekend that I didn't get to include in last night's pictures... I pulled the engine (it's going into a friend's Model A project) and transmission, and I was preparing to drop the subframe. Then the real fun began. :)

The engine and transmission came out pretty easily (the hoist was REALLY close to the front bumper on the Firebird, but I managed to do it without removing the bumper). As I went around to loosen the subframe bolts, the one under the AC box broke loose. Oh crap... And there was no way I was getting to that nut without removing the AC box. And there was no way that I was removing that AC box without removing the inner fender. See where this is headed?

The further I got into it, the more little rust problems that I found with the cage nuts that are used to assemble the front sheet metal. I assume that Florida humidity got to them, as most were pretty rusty, and I had 2 break loose. And unfortunately it looks like I need a new radiator support as well...

Now I find myself in a quandry. As I said in my original post, I really wasn't planning to dive into the bodywork on this car. But with it this far apart and needed to replace a couple of items already, should I just go ahead and strip the car down and do the bodywork? Or I should more accurately say, have it done? I don't really have the time or facilities to do it myself right now. Hmm...

Here are some pictures from the weekend.

Old SBC 350 that came out:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/IMG_1324.jpg

My workspace:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/IMG_1325.jpg

The aftermath of the fender, inner fender, and AC box removal:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/IMG_1329.jpg

The pile o' parts:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/IMG_1330.jpg

Rusted out bottom of the radiator core support.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/IMG_1334.jpg

carbuff 11-29-2010 05:55 PM

Jake sent me a picture of the rear housing that he is building for me. :thumbsup:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...rs_housing.jpg

tones2SS 11-29-2010 06:09 PM

Let the tear down begin. Keep us posted Bryan.
The sub frame and rear end look great!:thumbsup:

carbuff 12-03-2010 04:58 PM

My DSE goodies arrived yesterday! :)

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/IMG_1335.jpg

And Jake sent me a few more pictures of the completed rear end housing and Watt's Link mount:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/IMG_7332.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/IMG_7327.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...d/IMG_7337.jpg

tones2SS 12-03-2010 05:21 PM

Very nice Bryan.:yes:

carbuff 12-07-2010 04:33 PM

Dyno plot
 
I received my dyno data the other day from Golen. I found the data very interesting and thought others might as well....

As a little refresher, the engine is an LS2-based 402ci with L92 heads, lightly ported. Originally it had an L76 intake with a 90 (or 92) mm throttle body. I'm replacing the L76 with an Edelbrock Victor Jr. and 4-barrel throttle body since I want to use a functional shaker scoop with my hood (without crafting an airbox. :) ).

There are 3 plots on the chart (I created the chart in Excel from the raw data):
  • RED - original 242/248 Golen cam and L76 intake (not completely tuned, which accounts for the much lower torque below 4000rpm)
  • GREEN - my custom grind 234/242 cam and L76 intake
  • LIGHT BLUE - my custom grind 234/242 cam and Edelbrock Victor Jr. intake

Now, I expected to lose some low-end torque with the short runners of the Victor Jr, but I didn't quite expect to lose 60 ft-lb! Don't get me wrong, this engine should have plenty of power for what I want to do with it, but if I ever do decide to go back to a long-runner composite intake, I will know what awaits me.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ebird/dyno.gif

carbuff 10-12-2011 03:35 PM

So Project TOW has taken a little change of direction... Earlier in the year I decided to sell my house and move (still within Austin), but that left me with the problem of what to do with the Firebird. After a lot of thinking, I decided to sell the car. Tough choice, but I believed that I could find a better starting point, and given that I was going to be living temporarily without a garage, it just made sense.

I've been searching since that time for the next car, and about a month ago I found it. This car was located in New Hampshire, about as far away from Texas as I could get of course. ;) I spent a lot of time on the phone with the seller, he had owned the car since 1988 and had done a complete restoration on the car (including the replacement of much of the sheetmetal) during the 90's. So even though I couldn't see the car in person, it was nice to talk to someone who had actually turned a wrench on the car as compared to so many others that I considered that were 'owned' but not 'built' by their current owners.

The plan for the car remains the same, with the exception that some of the work is going to be done by Jake at JRS. Jake arranged to have the car picked up from the seller (about 3 hours away from him) and now has it at his shop. I flew up last weekend to check it out and make a plan with Jake, and the disassembly should start later this week. Jake's going to do a lot of small projects for me that he and his crew can do a lot faster (and better) than I would do myself, such that when the car gets down to Texas, my part of the project should go a lot faster! I'm closing on a house purchase at the start of November, a house with a nice 2.5 car detached workshop btw, so the timing should work out great for me to have the shop all ready for the car's arrival. :)

While I originally really wanted a red car, I love the blue on this car! I found a picture of a 72 Trans Am that was painted in a Dodge Viper Blue color with the white stripe, and I fell in love with that combination. This car isn't quite that dark of a blue, but it's darker than the original Lucerne Blue that Pontiac used. I imagine that someday I will paint the whole car, and I'll go with a slightly darker color at that point. Until then, this car will be great!

Jake is going to replace the Formula fenders with a pair of Trans Am fenders, the hood with the VFN hood that I already have, and the nose with a carbon fiber one as well. I would love to do the entire CF front end, but that's just a bit out of the budget at this time I think...

Jake's also going to install or fabricate the following for the car:
  • JRS Watt's Link Bracket
  • DSE Mini-tubs
  • DSE SFC's, modified to allow the subframe to bolt in
  • Muffler-back exhaust to weave through the Watt's
  • Firewall to subframe down-bars
  • 4-point roll bar with removable harness bar
  • JRS Apex front spoiler/splitter
  • Front tow hook

There may be a few more items as well, but this is the plan for now. Should keep him busy for a few weeks, but fell in perfectly between some projects that he had on-going.

Look for more progress pictures now that I am back on track! Hopefully Jake can post a few as he makes progress as well...

Pictures from my visit to JRS earlier this week:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...Formula002.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...Formula010.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...Formula013.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...Formula021.jpg

carbuff 01-11-2012 02:37 PM

It's been a while since I've updated this, but Jake has been making progress on TOW. We're close to having it ready to ship back down to me in Texas! The minitubs and SFCs are in, the front sheetmetal has been replaced and repainted, the Watt's mount is in place, the 4-point bar is installed. Hopefully in the next week or so it will be wrapped up and on it's way.

Here are some pictures of the work Jake has done so far:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...W/IMG_8539.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...W/IMG_8538.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...W/IMG_8537.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...W/IMG_8536.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m.../IMG_00172.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m.../IMG_00173.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m.../IMG_00176.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...W/IMG_8729.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m.../IMG_00255.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m.../IMG_00235.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m.../IMG_00257.jpg

WSSix 01-11-2012 08:34 PM

I like the blue better :) Good luck with this one.

carbuff 12-13-2012 10:26 PM

Time to revive my very old build thread...

Sadly, I haven't done much to this car at all over the last year. But that is about to change. I've been living in an apartment for the last year, and while I've been both house-shopping as well as shop-shopping, neither have worked out for me this year. So unfortunately, I haven't been in a place where I could work on the car.

On top of that, I changed jobs about 3 months ago. I've joined a small tech-startup company (my 5th of these), so my time is also now very limited.

I went through some serious soul-searching about this project, whether I should sell it since I wasn't in a position to work on it, nor did I even have the time to if I had a place. But then about 3 weeks ago, SW posted about his last 2nd gen project, and he finally spilled the beans about his local builder. So I touched base with Eric (Griffith Metal Shaping) and stopped by one Saturday to check out his shop. After a couple hours of conversation, I left with the idea for a new plan for the project.

On these projects, I really enjoy the build phase as much if not more than the driving part. So this wasn't an easy decision for me. But realistically, I wasn't going to make any progress on this car for a long time. And thus, I've decided to let Eric tackle most of the bigger parts of the project for me. I dropped the car off with him on Sunday (after running it out of gas and stranding myself on the side of a highway for about an hour, ugh!), and then on Monday we sat down and made a plan for what I want done.

Here she was before I dropped her off. The only thing I've done this year is add the stripes to the car:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps1d93a917.jpg

Since Monday, Eric has jumped right in. :)

End of day 1:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps6833161e.jpg

End of day 2:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps764aa1cc.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...psf124450f.jpg

Well that was quick, although admittedly these cars do come apart pretty quickly... He's almost at a point where he's going to be stalled until I get him some parts! That is going to happen on Saturday. I have a truck and a friend lined up to load up everything and delivery it across town to him.

Last night I made up my list of parts which I need to order, and I jumped into that today by ordering my 3rd member from Strange. I'll work on the other pieces over the next few days.

If all goes as I hope, I should have the car on the road in the spring. Realistically, my holdup is going to be ordering a set of wheels/tires for the car. I am not placing the order until we have everything assembled again in order to check fitment. Figuring those will take 5 or 6 weeks to arrive, that's going to cost me some time. But everything else should go together pretty quickly I think.

Since he's joined the site here, hopefully Eric can keep the picture coming as he makes progress on the car. We're not doing any paint/bodywork on the car, other than filling the firewall hole, so that should let us make good project on it.

On another note, I should probably change the name of this project. It's stranded me 3 times now, and I haven't driven it more than 15 times in the year that I've had it. Bad omen! And the 'other' woman that the car was named for is no longer in the picture, so perhaps it will become the 'only' woman for a while. :_paranoid

I'm really looking forward to getting this thing on the road. I've been looking at it everyday for the last year, so I'm excited!

qnitro 12-15-2012 03:52 AM

This is going to be great when you finish it... Did you keep that. Front subframe somewhere to use it now.. Or are you picking up another set up?

Rick D 12-15-2012 07:01 AM

Very cool Bryan, keep it up you will get it done! :thumbsup:

carbuff 12-15-2012 05:54 PM

I rented a 16' box truck today and loaded it up with parts which I then delivered to Griffith's. Phew! His shop is full of my parts now. :) And unfortunately, there are a few things which I couldn't find that I think I should have. I'll be digging through boxes at my storage room again tomorrow before I re-order things from Summit (I already have a few duplicates).

Eric is working on smoothing the firewall for me. I wasn't necessarily planning to do it, but since the car is so far apart, now is the time. Plus we've decided to build/add down-bars to the front of the subframe, so he's going to beef up the mount area on the firewall for those. If we are going to do that, may as well go ahead and smooth it. :)

He's going to mock up the install and see if we are going to have to do any transmission tunnel mod-work. One of the items I can't find are the JRS motor mount adapter plates. I am going to have to dig and see if I have them or not. I thought I did, but they weren't in with all of my other JRS goodies...

Even though I'm not doing the assembly, I got pretty excited today at least getting my hands on all the parts!

carbuff 12-20-2012 09:38 PM

I stopped by the shop tonight to drop off a few parts and to check on the progress of the car. Eric is cruising right along! He's make a firewall filler-plate and welded that in, and filled in a few of the other holes as well. He's also installed the JRS subframe and today was able to stick in a mockup LS block and bellhousing. When I got there he was bolting up the JRS Tri-Y headers to check on the fitment.

So far it's looking pretty good. Unfortunately the subframe isn't exactly lining up with the already-installed DSE subframe connectors, but we have a path to fix that. The JRS subframe and Tri-Y headers leave all kinds of space around the engine, so that is nice. I ordered the steering u-joints and shaft, and routing that will be a breeze.

Hopefully a few more parts will be arriving tomorrow or Monday so that by next week when I get back to town, a lot of the car will be mocked up. I have a 3rd member on the way, and Jake is sending me some pieces that I either never received or have somehow misplaced to install the torque arm.

For my part, I've been busy getting some needed parts ordered this week. Amazing how much time that can take when you need the parts 'now'. Hopefully I've unblocked Eric for at least the next week or so. :)

It feels good for the project to be making progress! After staring at these parts for almost 2 years, it's nice to see some of them bolted to the car now... :)

Rick D 12-21-2012 06:45 AM

Come on not even some crappy cell phone pictures?? :D

c.schulz 12-21-2012 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick D (Post 452845)
Come on not even some crappy cell phone pictures?? :D

X2

Chris

carbuff 12-21-2012 09:35 AM

Apparently I have learned nothing in my 8 years of membership here at Lat-G. :( I hang my head in shame...

I know that Eric is taking some along the way, but he's been pretty busy actually working on the car. I'll definitely get some next week when I get back to town!

Rick D 12-21-2012 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carbuff (Post 452859)
Apparently I have learned nothing in my 8 years of membership here at Lat-G. :( I hang my head in shame...
I'll definitely get some next week when I get back to town!

You better or NO SOUP FOR YOU!!! :unibrow:

GriffithMetal 12-27-2012 11:48 AM

Some pictures for you!
 
I've been busy getting everything together. We are making some progress getting everything mocked up. I'm really terrible about taking pictures as I go. Its easy to get into a zone and forget to take some pictures.

http://imageshack.us/a/img62/6105/075kcd.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img339/1950/076em.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img17/5646/183uk.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img844/4148/189wh.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img824/2259/192fyx.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img195/2721/195lgv.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img811/8929/197up.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img842/9849/199ky.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img441/2599/204iyt.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img145/5458/210k.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img825/3070/221be.jpg

coolwelder62 12-27-2012 12:00 PM

Lookin good.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Vince@Meanstreets 12-27-2012 12:49 PM

Looking good Bry,

Those headers fit pretty nice. Jake did a great job on them.

How do they fit under side?

waynieZ 12-27-2012 01:25 PM

Looking good.

carbuff 12-28-2012 06:30 PM

I spent some time with Eric at his shop today. I had planned on doing some work myself, but I've returned from the holiday with a cold. I'll try again tomorrow.

We did talk about a few issues that Eric has run into, and some plans to move forward. And of course, some of the work that's been done so far. :) And yes, I took pictures this time!

First up, it looks like I need to make a call to DSE about the booster brackets on my master cylinder:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...psfa20db7f.jpg

I'm guessing that angle is a little steep... :P

Here's a shot of the JRS Watt's link setup from the rear:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...psa9169e82.jpg

And a good side shot of the rear axle, coilover, and upper torque arm mounts:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps5ebaa6ad.jpg

The torque arm from the front. We don't have the 3rd member installed yet, but it has arrived:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps0f13b567.jpg

Here is the JRS crossmember for the torque arm front mount. You can also get an idea of the clearance of the headers here to the floor:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps90613d0d.jpg

A side shot of how the torque arm bushing and crossmember look assembled:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps2e3a34fa.jpg

Eric and I had been discussing what to do about a transmission crossmember. He was planning to build one into the floor, but instead he came up with this solution. Since the torque arm crossmember was pretty close and would have to come out anyway for a transmission removal, he built a mount off of it:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps4fbbd73c.jpg

Here's another shot:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps6d26d617.jpg

In this shot you can get an idea of where the header collector is going to sit. It's not quite as high as I would like, but it wouldn't help to be lower since the lowest point is going to have to go under the torque arm crossmember cutouts:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps0579be72.jpg

That's a 3" collector with a clamp on it for perspective.

Unfortunately as we all know, these aftermarket parts don't always go together effortlessly. Here's one example of a problem:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...sdc5db3c7.jpeg

That's the front caliper basically touching the rotor on the Baer Pro+ setup which I have. After a few phone calls between Baer and Jake, we discovered that there is a "spacer" which GM uses between the hub and the upright which is needed to push the hub and rotor out just enough to solve this problem. In case anyone ever reads this in the future and needs the parts, they are GM part numbers:

10263081
10263082

I have them on the way to me now, so we'll solve this next week.

Other minor issues... The Baer rotor hats won't quite fit over the Corvette hub, so a very small amount of sanding on the rotor hat is going to be needed. And I received the incorrect backing plates from Baer for the rear axle ends, so those are being cross-shipped to me so we can finish the rear axle mockup. We'll have to make some spacers for the Watt's link end attachment points to get the bars closer to parallel to the axle housing. Not a big deal, but little things take time...

After seeing the transmission in place with the floor cut, there is no way that thing would have gone in there without cutting the floor. Perhaps if we used a different set of motor mount plates and pushed the engine forward more, we would have cleared the firewall better. But we would have had to tilt the transmission way down to clear the floor, which would have caused issues with the header and driveshaft angles. On a positive note, we sat the console in place today, and the shifter is lining up pretty well with the opening for the boot, so that won't take much work. :)

Eric is also getting a little creative in how he's tying the subframe, SFC's, and torque arm crossmember together to allow me to be able to remove everything from the car if I need to. He should get that wrapped up this weekend, and I'll take some more pictures.

Hopefully I'll feel better and get myself there tomorrow to work on a few things. We want to reassemble the front end, so I'll work on that, to check clearances, and hopefully get some measurements for wheel/tire sizes. I also want to check out the fitment of the Vintage Air unit with the tunnel changes we are making and determine where to mount it and the bulkhead coming through the firewall.

It's great to see the progress!

srh3trinity 12-31-2012 02:46 PM

You may want to try the DSE brackets that they sale for 67-69 Camaros that they specify as "low angle" I believe. There are a couple of second gen builds that have used those and it will change the angle. I bought some, but I haven't gotten to that part yet. See the Second Chance Camaro build because he used them and that is where I got the idea from.

WSSix 12-31-2012 02:54 PM

Stephen beat me to it. Marty, already found this problem with his 2nd gen build. I want to say the solution was to use a first gen bracket as Stephen mentioned.

Glad to see the good work Eric is doing again. He's got some good ideas. I'm also curious to see how the JRS torque arm works for you. It's something I may be interested in as well.

carbuff 12-31-2012 04:55 PM

Thanx for the tips on the MC, I have read the issues that others have had in the past with this setup as well. I had a list of places to call about various 'little' things today, but I didn't get to DSE. That will happen on Wednesday, as I also need to order a couple of items from them. :)

I did manage to sell all of the drivetrain parts which Eric removed from the car, which helped recoup a little of the costs so far. It was great to find someone that wanted them all in one shot, and it cleaned out some space in Eric's shop for him. ;)

Now I'm shopping for gauges, trying to decide which setup to use. I thought I had my mind made up on the Speedhuts, but the Racepak and Stack setups have caught my attention again...

bigapple 01-02-2013 08:14 AM

Bryan, I love reading about you build, I own 1970 Firebird that im doing a lite resto mod on. Your build is want I want and currently can't afford. Keep the pic's and info coming.
Rob
:thumbsup:

carbuff 01-06-2013 03:42 PM

Small update from this week, but a lot of work to get here...

Eric has almost finished the work on the trans tunnel (and probably has by now). He raised up the tunnel about 1.5" in total. The original cuts were only to the area in front of the 'hat channel'. Unfortunately that support also had to be cut and raised, so he had to do the extra work there. That's the shiny area further back.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps2743d753.jpg

The original shifter hole piece is going to be used to have a removable cover for the shifter so that I can service it as needed. It will screw on around the hole which you see above.

More of the firewall hole filling. It's mostly done.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps44a9a83b.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...psff6dfb6c.jpg

And a shot of the engine, without the PS pump which is being exchanged with Wegner at the moment... That door behind it is from Eric's cool '50 Ford project that he's working on.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...psa01a5ccc.jpg

I spent the week making phone calls all over the place. Some of the issues I've had to resolve:
  • Wrong PS pump, needed a low-volume pump to match the Ford rack
  • Wrong MC brackets, still working with DSE on that
  • The Edelbrock Victor Jr. fuel rail kit requires LS1 height injectors. Mine are L92's, which are an inch short. Ordered 1" tall adapters to fix.
  • Decided to run a PS fluid cooler, ordered one from Jegs.

I've also been working on decisions involving wiring, headlights (still undecided), fuel pump shutoff (ordered), battery cable routing (ordered), wheels/tires (undecided), fuel and oil and PS line decisions, down-bar mounts from the firewall to the subframe (ordered), and I'm sure a few more that I've forgotten by now but have parts on the way for. :)

Now that we're getting over a few hurdles, this week should have some good progress. :cheers:

WSSix 01-06-2013 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigapple (Post 454968)
Bryan, I love reading about you build, I own 1970 Firebird that im doing a lite resto mod on. Your build is want I want and currently can't afford. Keep the pic's and info coming.
Rob
:thumbsup:

You should start a thread on your car or put one in the intro forum. It looks great in the avatar and we need more 2nd gens anyway :D Also, any car is good enough for a project thread. Welcome to the forum.

WSSix 01-06-2013 05:07 PM

That engine looks good! Good luck getting all the parts sorted out, Bryan

carbuff 01-10-2013 09:44 PM

Mid week update...

I stopped by the shop tonight to see how things were coming along and to discuss a few more little issues Eric has run into... Pictures will follow below... :)

So this week has revolved around gauges, wheels/tires, sound deadener, and exchanging a few items. After exploring what seems like every possible tire brand on the market, I've decided to run the Falken Azenis RT615-K's in 275 and 315 widths. I ordered those from Discount Tire Direct today, and they will be here by Tuesday. I'm closer to my wheel selection, but I'm going to be using a fitment tool in order to make certain that I have the tires exactly where I want them! And I've been emailing back and forth with Speedhut's support team with questions about the gauges I'm looking at.

For some reason my gas tank straps are about an inch too short. Eric has the tank hanging in place, and the straps will barely reach the bolts. A quick phone call to Rick's today and they are sending me a new set tomorrow which are cut a little longer, even though the length of mine is what they normally provide for a 2nd gen. I like that customer service!

Contrast that with DSE, whom I'm pretty frustrated with at the moment... I called them last Friday to discuss the brake booster / master cylinder angle as shown in the picture above. They seem to be aware of this 'potential issue', and have a replacement set of brackets to resolve the problem. But they want to charge me for the brackets instead of swapping them out. I sent them a picture of my MC, and the sales guy I spoke with agreed that it seems too steep. He was going to grab one of theirs and compare it to my angle and get back to me. That was last Friday. I'm still waiting... So I called back on Tuesday and spoke to a second person. After a lengthy discussion, he was going to talk to the first person and one of them would call me back. Well, 2 days later, nada... Oh, and they have an order in their system for another $500 worth of their goodies that I want for the car which is holding on resolving this stupid $20 bracket issue. Disappointing to me for all of the positive feedback that they normally get...

Anyway, enough of my rant, here's another positive customer service review. Wegner Automotive. Eric asked me the question about whether I had the correct PS pump to mate up to my Ford steering rack. A call to Casey revealed that I did not. I told him I purchased the kit about 18 months ago, and he said no problem, just send them my pump and he would send me the correct replacement. I'm very appreciative of good service like that!

As for Eric, it's more mockup. He stuck the fuel tank in place, made some new spacers for the rear suspension pieces to get everything lined up just right, and assembled the engine/clutch/transmission and installed it for more mockup. He also finished the shifter cover and is going to install the nutserts to bolts it down this week. Tomorrow he's going to work on a set of seat mounts so that we can test fit me on Saturday.

On Saturday I'm going to get dirty scraping and grinding on the inner floorpans to prep them for the Dynamat install. I bought 3 boxes of Extreme and 5 boxes of Dynaliner to seal up the interior. While I plan to do track days in the car, on the occasion when I make a road trip, I'd like to drown out some of that outside noise as best I can. :willy:

Ok, enough rambling, I know you all just want to see pictures. Here are a couple of the engine installed, the Mocal oil thermostat, and the shifter cover...

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps43e97da5.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...pseab15c7d.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps689f12d1.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...psffd10f9b.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...psf6d4b933.jpg

Rick D 01-11-2013 05:50 AM

Looks great Bryan, are you going to paint the outside of the car or is it good to go?


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