For Hydroboost,Hydratech or Tallon Hydraulics?
 

Lookin to get a Hydroboost for my car and was wondering if i should go with Hydratech or ****** Hydraulics?any input appreciated.

Thanks

hydratech, product knowledge and customer service none better

Here are a few facts that you need to know about ****** ********** before you consider dealing with them:

* ***** ********* was a simply one of the machine shops that used to produce some of our items for us back in MI. When we moved from MI to TN, it was later discovered that he had opened up ****** ********** and had started using our components for use in his new venture. He did this without my permission or knowledge, and now lists on Ebay as the "******** ******** ** ********** ******* *** *** ***********". Imagine if you did years of business with a machine shop and later found that they are using your parts and designs without your permission, attempting to compete against you within the specific market segment. Nice...

* While *** may have some of our design programs, he still has no direct knowledge or experience with hydraulic brake assist systems, and doesn't even know for certain what parts fit which applications. He asks you to provide the brake pedal rod dimensions in his listings, because he has not done any actual system design work and has no real time hydraulic brake assist system experience. Would you deal with a guy that doesn't know which brake pedal rod you need? This is why he was using the early design brake units with the rubber grommet retained pedal rods that the end user could change out / install. He would then supply you with a few different best guess pedal rods and let you figure it out. Note that that the rubber grommet retained pedal rod design was discontinued a long time ago because the rubber grommet could fail resulting in the brake pedal rod separating from the brake unit! Hydratech has never provided a single brake unit with that potentially dangerous brake pedal rod separation problem, though ****** thought nothing more than sales and has placed this design in as many customer hands as possible (to cover for his lack of knowledge of the designs / applications).

* If you were to actually look at his brake assist systems in a side by side comparison to ours, you would see that he does absolutely nothing more than source various old remanufactured boosters and some older (new old stock) GM service boosters, and then remove and replace the firewall mounting plate and pedal rod. By contrast, we have access to the latest production brake assist units (currently using the revised 2011 production units with the improved new casting designs). You just can't see this in internet pictures - they all seem to look the same at first glance...

* We very laboriously deburr all of the casting parting lines and inconsistencies skillfully by hand with carbide cutters on air motors, then expertly hand detail the brake units in three coats of Dupont Nason heavy duty catalyzed acrylic enamel (sanding and filling the units between coats for true show quality preparation), clear coat all machined metal surfaces with catalyzed polyurethane clear, then oven bake the brake units for durability and show quality appearance. *** does nothing to the castings, so you get a scratched, dented, and gouged up brake unit, or he will optionally spray bomb a casting with BS rattle can engine enamel. Note that we also coat all of our billet aluminum mounting plates in catalyzed polyurethane and also oven bake these too, for a show quality finish that will last for years.

* If you were to look closer, you would also see that we also painstakingly re-tap all of the bolt holes in the brake unit castings to accommodate expensive triple chrome plated high strength Allen bolts for show quality appearance. We also remove the master cylinder mounting studs and replace them with the matching class expensive triple chrome plated high strength master cylinder mounting bolts and locking nuts with stainless steel washers. We also install high end genuine Eaton / Aeroquip adapters, as opposed to machined up zinc plated low end copies to insure a quality, leak free seal every time.

* We exclusively produce our own special 90 degree low profile brass return line nipples here in house to provide a much higher level of installed visual quality, which produces a superior overall design by keeping the low pressure return line away from the steering column rag joint / intermediate shaft. ****** only supplies the straight OE steel hose nipple that comes stock with the OE service replacement brake units. We even resurface machine these 90 degree nipples after assembly to remove the tool marks out of the brass (caused by assembly of the two piece design), and then go one step further still by also clear coating this item too.

* We have been in the business coming up on ten years and have stood the test of time, always working hard to constantly improve and evolve the designs to make sure everything fits and functions for every application. *** may indeed have some of our designs, though has no actual experience and therefore does not know for certain what components will clear which shock towers or clutch linkages, which MC designs are best for which brakes at the wheels... He asserts himself as “the leading hydroboost specialist in the aftermarket”, yet has very little actual real world experience with high performance aftermarket braking systems or power steering systems. A machinist that has decided to get into the high performance braking industry only because he had access to the Hydratech designs…

* I would also like to note the following internet URL’s he has set up:

WWW.HYDRATECHBRAKES.COM
WWW.HYDRATECHBRAKINGSYSTEM.COM
WWW.HYDRATECHCONVERSIONS.COM
WWW.HYDRATECHHYDROBOOST.COM
WWW.HYDRATECHINFO.COM




Please be sure to note that our one and only internet URL is www.hydratechbraking.com



There is only one true Hydratech Braking Systems LLC, and it is located in Nashville, TN (previously of Warren, MI as of move three years ago). Our internet URL is www.hydratechbraking.com We have earned the trust and respect of the aftermarket, and have a group of dealers that market our products internationally as such: http://www.hydratechbraking.com/dealerlist.html

We work VERY HARD to produce the finest components, and are being copied and ripped off by a con artist doing business as ****** Hydraulics – BEWARE!

:lateral:

Because of threatened lawsuit, the brand name ****** will no longer be allowed to used in our community. It's now a censored word.

Suprised and Concerned
 

While searching for some information on hydroboost braking systems I ran acrossed this thread. To me it looks like an advertiser and one of his dealers slandering the competition and using this forum and its good name to do so.
Thats the suprised part.
After reading the claims of Hydratech and changes to the hydroboost unit it stood the hair up on my neck.(Im a Allied Signal Safety Engineer and worked for the Braking Division) I also made a call to the Bosch Corporation and was able to speak to one of the engineers about re-drilling and re-tapping the holes in the casting and grinding the surface if this changed the integrity of the hydroboost. The answer was a resounding yes any changes to the hydroboost from its orginal equipment manfactured satus would be considered unsafe and dangerious. These units go through a high level of testing to make them safe for the consumer having the wrong level of tensile strength bolts or re-drilling and re-tapping negates all testing and safty measures provided by Bosch.
Anybody can check this information out just contact the Robert Bosch Corporation hydroboost division located in Saint Joesph Michigan,
Here some sound advice from an old fart for what it's worth run don't walk away from formentioned practices there are many companies selling a safe product that has not been changed.

hmmmmmmmmmmm............. I just googled your hydroboost braking systems search and went through the first ten pages and still had not found a link to this thread. Almost sounds like you're the guy or a friend of the guy who's name we removed. ;)

http://www.google.com/#q=hydroboost+...40f95b1b9c7c0d

Hmmmmmm!! :_paranoid Seems like a case of the old "new member, start a thread with one post" type of deal to me. What do ya'll think? Thanks for doing the research admin. camcojb. I am glad the OP asked the question, because I will be looking to get hydraboost in the future and I honestly thought the were all the same company.

Paul and Hydratech is #1! Both me and my brother run his system and it is amazing performance and top customer service. Would not get anything else!:hail:

^^^ x2

We live in a world where almost every product has competition. Features and functionality are rarely unique in any product.

Hydroboost's have been around for ages.

Paul's products are not unique, even the little tweaks and customisation etc, while important are probably not enough to make the product outstandingly different.

In a world where everything is the same, what really matters is customer delight, it's the whole experience from research, to the post install help 3 years after you bought it and still being looked after.

Paul delivers on this. I'm in Australia and I bought my HB from Paul over 3 years ago, but didn't go on the car till last year, when installing it (having never done one before) Paul was good with some advice to help me get it done. Thing rocks....best investment I made on may car.

As stated before found this thread (found it here on this forum) not google search and never claimed a link from a search engine.
I also provided info for any concerned parties to do there own research.
As to the comment all hydroboost are from the same company this is a undisputed fact. Pre 1985 hydroboost was Bendix Brake product Bendix was owned by Allied Chemical and Allied Signal Automotive. It was purchased from the Allied by Robert Bosch. The question is are the modificatioins that are taking place on the hydroboost safe. The answer from Bosch engineer is no it is not safe.
My children and grand children ride in my car I could not bare the thought of lossing one of them to a potential problem with a braking system.
So yes I'm careful with the products I use to protect my family and freinds.
Hey guys we are all free moral agents in this world free to make our own choices.
Call Bosch and check it out for your selfs what you will learn will open your eyes.

So very, very true.

Slickrig claims to be an engineer, yet cannot correctly spell the simple words "safety", "tensile", "corporation" (spelled wrong twice), "dangerous" and used the word advise when he clearly meant advice. This is a major red flag and puts a serious dent in his credibilty when claiming to have been trained in advanced applied math and science.




Slickrig, it's obvious that you're here with an agenda and are clearly not who you are portraying. Your next post will determine how long your stay will be in this community.

:drama:

For the sake of your family and friends I certainly hope you drive better than your grammar and spelling.

Me selfs trusts Hydratech based on their performance record to date. My hunch is your posts will send a few customers Hyratech's way. :thumbsup:

Maybe he just drives a train... :D

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

:rofl: That's gotta be it!!

That doesn't actually rule him out as being an engineer LOL. There are PHD college professors that have bad grammer and spelling.

True, but I'm maintaining my doubts about his credibility. When a new member's first two - and only - posts are made in a thread that has been a source of major drama (including e-mails from the owners of ****** threatening a lawsuit), there's an agenda.

If he's an engineer at AlliedSignal, I question why he registered with web based e-mail. If slickrig e-mails me from his AlliedSignal/Honeywell domain, I'll gladly say my first impressions were wrong.

For the OP, another vote for Hydratech. I bought mine back in 06. When I was researching for it for my car, his knowledge and customer service is top notch!

There is a similar brand new member post on PT on the same thread as here, an out of the blue post. you can spot them almost like a nigerian check scam

You can twist it and turn it have your doubts but its all double talk. The fact is someone made changes to a OEM product that is considered dangerous by the manfacturer.
And posted it on this site call Bosch ask them.

Pinto gas tanks were OEM, how many other OEM recalls have there been since then?

Soooooo.... using your line of thinking I am just curious whether you would be of the type to start a petition to abolish SEMA. :wow:

How many stock OEM parts are those who peruse this forum really utilizing anyway?

I see a lot of modified OEM designs being offered and readily accepted for purposes that in many cases exceed the OEM design criteria.

For example, how many companies offer a refined Corvette master cylinder?... and OMG!!! Some of them even polish them! There have even been rumors of powdercoating.

Oh, the humanity. I hope you never meet a car on the highway with a blinged out master cylinder, and what if the bolt holes were chased or retapped?:faint:
:_paranoid

I better call Tom Lee and make sure he didn't screw up my Delphi 600 Steering Box when he was tinkering with it. ;)

the problem is you jumped on here with a poorly hidden agenda, and acted like you were just some regular guy posting up some concerns. You're taking shots at Paul and his products because it's directly to your own benefit. Easy to sniff this one out, you pretty much don't have any credibility here at this point.

Paul has been a fantastic vendor for many of the members of this site, and several more. Excellent customer service, even helps those who aren't using his stuff. I've used his products without any problems on several vehicles, and will do so in the future, even if he does re-tap a hole here or there............ :lol:

Jody

Missing the point on this issue.
SEMA is a wonderful organization and has made through its members many advancements in the motor sport aftermarket.
Setting aside the sarcasm there are real issues at hand.
Drilling out and re-tapping changes the integrity of the casting.
Just as using untested tensile strength bolts will also change integrity.
Any changes should be lab tested violating this protocal from OEM standard is wrong.
Making improvements in design fit and function are what it's all about.
So design and build your own hydroboost type unit test it market it and sell it but don't make changes to someone elses product with out permision and proper testing.

you are missing the point. Don't come on here as a member who's concerned with a product, when the truth is the product you're concerned with is your competitor, and you're trying to hurt his business. At least present yourself in a truthful way as a competitor of Paul's, don't try to be sneaky and hide behind a generic username. Makes you look foolish when everyone figures it out.

This thread has run it's course so I'll close it.