I really hope a TRUE muscle car wins the OUSCI in 2012
 

I'm not lookin to be a sh!t starter here but I check out the autoX/road race section at Vetteforum fairly often and.....

Here's the Vette guys patting themselves on the back....

and a little cheap shot at Sielow by Popp in there too.... classy. :rolleyes:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/auto...eed-today.html

Being fast in a Corvette is like getting rich from winning the lottery. (Insert Jack Off Emoticon):D

Jody's post shut them up. Lol!

How Corvettish of him. :rolleyes:

Thread must have been cleaned up? I dont see anything wrong. Danny won, by a lot, and it was his driving that got him there.

Well maybe he wouldn't autograph his own car, but that doesn't mean he isn't considering autographing someone else's car. :lol:

If anyone can dethrone, it's Stielow and this new build he has brewing.

Dave, you down to go to OUSCI this year dressed like devils? :willy: :willy:

When you write and publish a book many people want to read and buy, you are autograph worthy IMO. :thumbsup:

And I am calling Stielow's 67 an early favorite. :unibrow:

Here's Jody post
 

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Originally Posted by Jason http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/viewpost.gif
Wonder how many cars will show up with hired finds behind the wheel next year?

only the car owner or builder (must have done 70% + of the mods to the car) can qualify. No pro drivers. Apparently Danny met the 70% qualification since it wasn't his car.

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10) The registered owner or builder of record must drive the vehicle during all events. Builder of record must be an identified individual that is not a professional driver. Builders of record must be identified and approved by OPTIMA before 10/15/2010. No competitive professional drivers will be allowed to compete for awards or the Ultimate Street Car title. As a rule of thumb, the builder of record must have had responsibility for at least 70% of all modifications to the vehicle. A painter, suspension tuner or motor builder is not considered to be a builder of record if they performed only those specific duties on the vehicle. A person who completed ALL of those duties may be considered the builder of record. If the owner of the vehicle is the person who contracted the build through many vendors then the owner is the builder of record. Typically the only person who qualifies as the builder of record is the owner or manager of a shop who modified the vehicle into its current condition from the condition in which it was purchased.
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Jody

So your going to play that card. Just buying any car does not make you fast. You have to put the time in behind the wheel. Driving school would help 90% of the field at these events before one fancy ass part will do anything to anyone to make then actually know what they are doing.

If someone in this industry went out with a purpose built car for this event and knew how to drive they could really show guys what's up. Stielow and Kyle tucker and a few others are doing what they can with a 1st or 2nd Gen Camaro. But they have limited themselves to what can be done when DSE is doing what they can with parts they can sell to bolt on to every Camaro that was never designed to do what they are doing with them under the limitations a 69 Camaro is going to have. When you go buy a new Corvette, the technology difference between a Corvette and a covered wagon is about the same as a 69 Camaro and new Corvette. Sure they probably make more new parts for the that 69 Camaro to get it closer to the Vette. You can listen to all the marketing hype all day long, But the problem is your still trying to race that "1969" Camaro. The low end Vette comes stock with tires, a Camaro needs crazy special parts to fit. The sheetmetal over hang on the Camaro is 10 times more then a C6 Vette. The fuel tank position sucks in a Camaro. The aero package of a Vette is far more advanced then a Camaro. The unsprung weight of the aluminum control arms is far superior.

The 1969 Camaro will kill the vette everyday of the week in Visual appeal. Until some one does what lay Brian Hobaugh did with his and probably go further, Then with a top notch driver with a tested and tuned car will you ever see it. From what I know Brian is an autocross guy and more points are put on the road course at the Optima deal. Somebody needs to completely rethink a Camaro, and really learn how to drive. Then it will happen.

But at what point will it not be a "STREET CAR"?

It was a jab back at the competition. Naturally, a modern Z06 Vette gives me a huge advantage over my Camaro before driving skill comes into play. There is no disputing that. I couldn't do it in a Z06 so I'm not taking anythign away from the winner. I'm simply saying the cards are stacked in one direction.

The cards are only stacked because you choose to stack them that way.

Rodger, I didn't realize you owned a Vette. :P

Who's sorry they sold their C4 now? :unibrow:

Umm... Todd? :D

I will chime in here and give you my $.02. The only way an older car will come close to Danny in his borrowed Corvette or anything like it is to build a car like mine, Steilows, or Bad Penny type. Danny is an incredible driver with a well preppared Corvette.

I don't like to give excuses, but, the format for OUSCI and the autocross was stacked against me, Mike Maier, and a everyone else that had to run first. I was one of the first 5 cars out in the morning. About 25 cars were in each group and we were told to run in decending order per our car number. I was number 47 of 52 cars. Danny was #14 and Mary was #15. I believe Danny was the just about the last car to run before Mark Steilow, who went last in the first group. When I ran, the course was still wet in places and very dirty. By the time Danny ran, the course was dry, warmer, and cleaner. I am not saying I would have beat him, but I would have been right there with him.

My car was and still is in the tuning stage. By the end of this summer, my car will be much faster than it was at OUSCI 2011. It already is.

As long as newer cars like the Corvette and Nissan GTR are involved in the same competition, the only way the older cars can compete is to radically change the car towards "race car" IMOP. Lighter, faster, major suspension change.

Brian

Brian, just go beat him this year so we can all be happy. :D

I would love to represent the "True Muscle Car" group.

Brian I agree 100%. I hope you take to offense to what I said. I think your car after 1-2 years of testing would be awesome at this event. It almost takes more time to sort them then build them. I love orange 2nd gens and would love to see you take the deal.

I would also say it's going to take more then an assortment of the best Bolt on parts. It's going to take a full on purpose built car with lots if Head scratching problem solving. The bar is getting raised every year and will require a pretty sharp pencil.

What's this would stuff? Brian did kick some ass. :thumbsup:

http://vasimpleservices.com/wp-conte...just-do-it.jpg

:thumbsup:

Do ya think a '62 hopper would stand a chance?? :rofl: :D

Don't get me wrong, but if somebody offered me a brand new Corvette I would take it in a heartbeat. HOWEVER, building musclecars like those that can compete with the likes of modern Corvettes and GTRs is the ultimate "cool" factor for me. Brian and Mark's Camaros are freakin badazz, that's all I can say. :thumbsup:

then youll need windows!:lol:

Man, after reading the posts on that Corvette site, I remain greatful for this site and the open mindedness of the people here. Maybe it was the way I read those posts, but they sounded a bit arrogant and mostly out of touch with reality---except Danny's post where our old cars were actually given some credit. I hope that small demographic of posters doesn't represent the Corvette population at large---however, some of the Vette owers at Cars and Coffee close by to me haven't done much to change the sterotype unfortuanetly. They really seem to have tunnel vision and only respect one brand/make---I'm wondering if this is because it's all they really know? I have to remind myself sometimes that in reality there are very few PT cars that actually make it to the track and are run as hard as they can be. I would imagine that very few of these vette owners have seen some of our best do what they are capable of. I would have thought that after watching the event, they would show some respect. I hate to say it, but it is making me really want to take the drag car and covert it into a 90% race only X-Treme PT car---of course, then I would really have to learn how to race on a road course and auto X--:lol:

D

As Cliff Huxtable's daughter Denise once explained to him "The world is closed."

:lol:

And it gets worse, I read on that same forum the C6 guys won't even return the C3 guys 'Corvette' wave!

:woot:

The proper term would be Douche Bag.:D

I had a pretty cool C5 a few years ago. Cam, headers, Fikse wheels... I was sitting at a red light one day with my window down when a car came by me in the left turn lane and the guy yellled, "nice car a$$hole". I can only imagine that he had encountered some of the CorvetteForums members prior to that day.

The Corvette world is a whole other place in this universe. :willy:

The Camaro later consumed the money from the C5 and a few other toys...

LOL---as my 6 year old daughter says---"For Reals"? That's like the ultimate back handed complement.

I don't want to believe it, but reality forces me too. I reread the thread again and man---they have some pretty large egos over there---I wonder if you went to the Porsche site if it would only get worse---ask Weld, he's got one.

D

I still think late model Camaro and Mustang guys are worse, on average. I know you spent some quality time making friends with the Camaro 5 guys on the way to Arizona. On my Mustang I have tinted windows... because I'm almost embarrassed to be seen :lol:

Matt

:lol:

You may be right Matt---yeah, quality time indeed. I guess i'm just surprised that they (Vette owners or any others) can't appreciate other makes/models or give credit to the fact that a 69 Camaro was actually in the hunt at Optima. I typically appreciate anything on the race track that's fast. If it looks good doing so, then I tend to love it even more. More than that, I can begin to appreciate the level of driver Mark S is and how well his car is put together since it was close to Danny's. I do love many of the Vette's i've seen ---Tony's (9 Ball) Vette that recently sold was one of my all time favorites--would love to have that car. I just happen to love 69 Camaro's over all others, but don't think they are the best cars on the planet for road racing, auto crossing, etc. I know from the stand point of physics, it just makes sense that a Vette out of the box is much more suited for actual track action--and obviously these guys are aware of their superiority in brand. Once again, it just took me a bit by surprise that they are that ego driven and so outspoken about it. Really turns me off from ever owning one. When I went to C&C this morning to help hand out fliers for RTTC. A guy took a flyer from me and said the following "It's just a bunch of old cars running around the track? All they are going to do is overheat and spew water everywhere--that's all they ever do--that's lame--and I supose you have one of these cars right?". I tried to explain to him that nowadays you can really up the game by swaping out to vette inspired suspension front and rear and that many of the cars run very fast. I asked him to at least come out to see for himself to which he responded "Why would I want to waste my time watching slow cars retrofitted with parts that make it a wanna be Vette?". Now, he had a friend, and they were both wearing those bright orange little driving shoes--and typically I wouldn't go there, but today was a special day as I am a bit burned out from life these past few months--(I should mention that the combined height of these fellows was about 6'5) so when he handed me back the flyer and said "Here, give it to someone who cares and good luck not overheating", I paused for a moment and something horrible happend next-----I said "Thanks Frodo and Sam, I should have told you that you have to be this high (held my hand to my waist) to get in anyways." Unfortunately there were several others present who witnessed this---they of course began roaring--and I mean roaring--it wasn't my best moment--but it just rubbed me the wrong way and I snapped---I happened to see them leave---just guess what kind of cars they drove away in?

Somehow, I feel a bit better about my response after seeing that Jody posted in their forum--I can't believe he did that---nice job Gandolf the White :lol:

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If anybody cares...Stielow did not autograph his car. Someone else designed that whole graphics package and I thought it looked pretty cool. Stielow felt a little weird having his name on his car but the package was already done. Maybe someday ifDanny does all Stielow has done someone will put his name on his car also. The cool part about Red Devil is it is a nice quiet road car that can also kick ass on the track.

Pretty simple to me, these poindexters understanding of cars barely exceeds reeding a dip stick and where you put the key. VERY FEW understand what it takes to build Red Devil and pilot it on that level. Very few even in our own world. I said it and it started a down hill slide last time. He did it with a car in the most pro touring sense, in my mind.

The 67 will be lighter and more radical and I think it's fair. When you're competing against physics, you have to gain and advantage somewhere else. :thumbsup:

Funny part is - graphics or not - Mark Stielow is a 'brand' and having his name on a car is part of it. D Popp could be, but he's not yet. Maybe after a book or two, twelve (?) documented builds, invites to every major show in the country, SEMA displays, a video game modeled after his car, and so on. Much repsect to Danny, of course. It's just the way it is.

EDIT: And an OPTIMA commercial! :D

Dude, that is a great story. Would pay to have seen that in person. :D

That a boy...:thumbsup: :lol:

Dub Renner is following some big footsteps to fast becoming one of the states great spokesmans for the hobby.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...23178243_1.jpg

Oh man, that story cracked me up. I swear, those cars and coffee guys are out to get you. We need to get you Ferrari shoes so you blend in better. And as for Frodo and sam... two guys, orange little shoes - I'm guessing a Mustang GT, a yellow convertible 'Vette or a Miata. :lol:

Matt

That is funny:thumbsup:

It is a bummer some guys are like that and the guy's over on the vette forum. IMO I think the OUSCI should be owner/driver only. Three of the four years have been won by a non owner. I thought that after the first year also.

That's a very telling statement.