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Ventura 03-21-2012 08:14 PM

JRI shocks
 
I see Detroit speed has switched to JRI shocks with their subframes now. Anyone use these before? Was there a problem with the old style?

Matt@BOS 03-21-2012 11:43 PM

There's nothing wrong with the Afco shocks that DSE has been using. In my opinion, they're a great deal, and a quality all around shock. I've got them on my car, which has complete DSE suspension, and I don't feel the need to change. I'm simply not a good enough driver to warrant going out and replacing something that is already pretty good. The JRI ones are just better. JRI's shocks are supposed to provide much better rebound damping than Afco, which has allowed the DSE test cars to pick up (or would that be lose..?) a bit of time on the track. The Afcos had a bit of a difficult time handling quick transitions, i.e. a really fast, and sharp left-right-left series of turns. I even noticed it a little on a few autocrosses. How much better are the JRI shocks? I'd like to know as well. JRI's are some of the best out there; many of the top competitors are running their shocks. With DSE always looking to up their game, and JRI looking to branch into our segment, I'm really not surprised to see the partnership.

Matt

Flash68 03-22-2012 01:57 AM

and Mike Maier runs JRI shocks... just sayin. They must be ok.

67ragtp 03-22-2012 06:56 AM

For those who are looking to upgrade there koni's or afco's, Wes at DSE tells me the adjustable remote canister JRI's are 900 bucks a piece :wow: Im looking for some adjustment and think Im gonna talk with ridetech about there tripples, Im just curious how the ridetech and JRI's differ/compare to each other.

Rich

SLO_Z28 03-22-2012 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 67ragtp (Post 403005)
For those who are looking to upgrade there koni's or afco's, Wes at DSE tells me the adjustable remote canister JRI's are 900 bucks a piece :wow: Im looking for some adjustment and think Im gonna talk with ridetech about there tripples, Im just curious how the ridetech and JRI's differ/compare to each other.

Rich

The JRi shocks are MASSIVELY better than the Ride Tech and AFCO stuff. A shock guru I know recently went through and was able to get the AFCO shocks to work in the DSE stuff for about $1000 for a major project car on here. I didn't get any specifics but the shocks weren't even close to right.

Just as a little back story JRi is a team of people that left Penske to make THE best shock on the market for our application. If anyone is looking for a great car setup and shock tuning guy then I would talk to : http://ankenyracingenterprises.com/home.htm

Vegas69 03-22-2012 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67ragtp (Post 403005)
For those who are looking to upgrade there koni's or afco's, Wes at DSE tells me the adjustable remote canister JRI's are 900 bucks a piece :wow: Im looking for some adjustment and think Im gonna talk with ridetech about there tripples, Im just curious how the ridetech and JRI's differ/compare to each other.

Rich

Looks like double adustables are $999 for the pair. Not bad for a nice set of shocks. Unless that's the price with the subframe only.
http://detroitspeed.com/1967-1969%20...-subframe.html

Coming from a racing background and Penske, I have to wonder about reliability on the street. Shocks are clearly a BIG deal if regards to performance. I doubt DSE would use them unless they are reliable in a street application. They want to be at the front of the pack to sell more parts. Those DSE cars have changed a lot of the past 3 years. Kyle is one hell of a better driver and the cars are more Rowdy to achieve these goals. Just one more step in the progression towards a full blown race series. :lol:

Matt@BOS 03-22-2012 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 403022)
Looks like double adustables are $999 for the pair. Not bad for a nice set of shocks. Unless that's the price with the subframe only.
http://detroitspeed.com/1967-1969%20...-subframe.html

Coming from a racing background and Penske, I have to wonder about reliability on the street. Shocks are clearly a BIG deal if regards to performance. I doubt DSE would use them unless they are reliable in a street application. They want to be at the front of the pack to sell more parts. Those DSE cars have changed a lot of the past 3 years. Kyle is one hell of a better driver and the cars are more Rowdy to achieve these goals. Just one more step in the progression towards a full blown race series. :lol:

Yeah, that would be $1000 added to your subframe order.

And for those saying the JRIs are massively better than Afco or Ridetech's offerings, that is probably true. I am going to have to pull out a food analogy on this though :lol: I would liken the Afco and Ridetech shocks to a good ol' chunk of well marbled choice cut New York steak. The JRI's would be prime. If you asked most of us to cook those two steaks ourselves, they would probably end up tasting pretty similar. My point is that I think you're going to need someone pretty skilled to make the JRIs really shine.

For the cost of upgrading all four corners, I think I would rather just go to driving school for a week. If it was an option at the time of purchase, I'd be willing to shell out the money.

Matt

James OLC 03-22-2012 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLO_Z28 (Post 403006)
The JRi shocks are MASSIVELY better than the Ride Tech and AFCO stuff.

Based on?

Blake Foster 03-22-2012 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by James OLC (Post 403035)
Based on?

Marketing of course. :thumbsup:
I saw a couple cars At RTTC running other "masively inferior" shocks that ended up doing not to bad.
I am not saying they are not good, better or the best because I have no information to base an opinion on, but the hype is definatly there, the credentials are there no doubt all that should add up to a great product.

Vegas69 03-22-2012 01:53 PM

I'm with you Matt. You are getting awful good at these analogies. :D I'd bet the difference between the afco/jri and ridetech/jri is a a different ball game. One of these days I'll get rid of these single adjustable varishocks and I'll let you know.:lol:

67ragtp 03-22-2012 04:59 PM

Right now I would like to get something that is adjustable. Already made the mistake of not getting the upgrade when I purchased the sub from DSE. If you want to purchase them with out a subframe they are 900 a piece, don't want to spend 3600 on all four corners. Im sures ridetech will serve my purpose and driving skill.

Ron in SoCal 03-22-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 67ragtp (Post 403050)
Right now I would like to get something that is adjustable. Already made the mistake of not getting the upgrade when I purchased the sub from DSE. If you want to purchase them with out a subframe they are 900 a piece, don't want to spend 3600 on all four corners. Im sures ridetech will serve my purpose and driving skill.

My thinking too right now. We drive 9/10ths at this point. One day 10/10ths maybe but not yet. I'm upgrading my AME sub w AFCOs to match my rears from DSE. It'll do for now. Also I believe these shocks need a little more care and feeding....

JMitch19 03-22-2012 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 403022)
Looks like double adustables are $999 for the pair. Not bad for a nice set of shocks. Unless that's the price with the subframe only.
http://detroitspeed.com/1967-1969%20...-subframe.html


That price of $999 is the upgrade price over the base coil overs. If you are looking to buy them outright I believe the price is $1499. I bought my QuadraLink this winter without coil overs to break up the cost a bit. Now I'm all sorts of confused about what direction to go. It looks like pricing is $500 for the base shock, $950 for single adjustable, $1499 for double adjustable, and $1800 for the canisters. All those prices are per pair. This is what I gathered from speaking to Dan @ DSE over the phone today.

Vegas69 03-22-2012 08:27 PM

To rich for my blood. The ridetech shocks have been getting great reviews and they are affordable.

Matt@BOS 03-22-2012 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 403074)
To rich for my blood. The ridetech shocks have been getting great reviews and they are affordable.

How much are the Ridetech triple adjustable shocks? Fox is pretty local to me, and I know they're willing to stand behind the product or help if anything needed to be addressed, and I trust with their background, they're probably engineered to last. Given that I'm never the fastest person out there, and I'm not going to win anything, durability is my main concern.

Also, does anyone know how often the JRI shocks need maintenance? I have to image in base ones are built to last a while...

Matt

Vegas69 03-22-2012 09:36 PM

I'm assuming they are $1300 for a PAIR of Triple Adjustables. If not, put a shoe in my mouth.

You know I'm with you on reliability.

214Chevy 03-22-2012 09:38 PM

Maaaan, I'm glad I'm just a street guy that likes to cruise around. I'll leave all this talk about big, high dollar triple adjustable JRI shocks to you track guys. :P :P

SLO_Z28 03-22-2012 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James OLC (Post 403035)
Based on?

They put it best themselves:

http://www.jrishocks.com/advantage/

Ron in SoCal 03-22-2012 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69MSA (Post 403083)
How much are the Ridetech triple adjustable shocks? Fox is pretty local to me, and I know they're willing to stand behind the product or help if anything needed to be addressed, and I trust with their background, they're probably engineered to last. Given that I'm never the fastest person out there, and I'm not going to win anything, durability is my main concern.

Also, does anyone know how often the JRI shocks need maintenance? I have to image in base ones are built to last a while...

Matt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 403089)
I'm assuming they are $1300 for a PAIR of Triple Adjustables. If not, put a shoe in my mouth.

You know I'm with you on reliability.

Pretty sure Ridetech T/A retails for $1300 a pair.

If the JRI's are anything like the Penskes, racers are re-valving every year or so. James would know...

James OLC 03-23-2012 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 403110)
Pretty sure Ridetech T/A retails for $1300 a pair.

If the JRI's are anything like the Penskes, racers are re-valving every year or so. James would know...

I didn't have to revalve every year with the Penskes... once I went 14 months without sending a shock back. :thumbsup:

That being said, the Penskes were a true competition shock being used on the street and while Jri does make true competition shocks as well, I am fairly sure that there are some differences between what's on Clint's car and what DSE and Ironworks and Meier are offering for our cars.

coolwelder62 04-08-2012 10:20 PM

The Ride Tech Triple's retail for $1300.00 per pr. w/spring's.They are an awesome pc.They come w/ canister mount's,and 1/2" & 5/8" CNC'd spacer Bushing's.The machining is a work of art.And they Work very well.Kevin's has turned into a real performer w/the Ride Tech shock's and 4-Link system.I have seen the JRI's and They are top notch.Everybody need's to buy the brand they feel will work best for them.:thumbsup:

GRob 04-18-2012 08:24 PM

So I'm considering the dse subrame and quadralink but it seems there are now questions about the durability of the shocks. I don't want any strung out noisy shocks for the street (been there done that) that blow their seals and leak from daily driving. Maybe someone from jri or dse could comment?

Musclerodz 04-18-2012 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GRob (Post 408606)
So I'm considering the dse subrame and quadralink but it seems there are now questions about the durability of the shocks. I don't want any strung out noisy shocks for the street (been there done that) that blow their seals and leak from daily driving. Maybe someone from jri or dse could comment?

DSE would not have switched to JRI if they did not believe that would improve their subframes in either performance, quality, or both.

SLO_Z28 04-19-2012 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRob (Post 408606)
So I'm considering the dse subrame and quadralink but it seems there are now questions about the durability of the shocks. I don't want any strung out noisy shocks for the street (been there done that) that blow their seals and leak from daily driving. Maybe someone from jri or dse could comment?

I wouldn't be concerned about the AFCO(aka DSE) being low quality and blowing out. This isnt an issue with the AFCO's being bad, but the JRi's being better.

Bryce 04-19-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SLO_Z28 (Post 408719)
I wouldn't be concerned about the AFCO(aka DSE) being low quality and blowing out. This isnt an issue with the AFCO's being bad, but the JRi's being better.

I have AFCO shocks on a few cars. I have had really good results.

GRob 04-19-2012 04:56 PM

Sorry my comments were more along the lines of them switching from the tried and tested afcos to the new jri's which may or may not be as durable.

Vegas69 04-19-2012 05:07 PM

I tend to agree that they wouldn't use a shock that isn't proven, reliable, and a better performer. Time will tell.

coolwelder62 04-23-2012 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLO_Z28 (Post 403094)
They put it best themselves:

http://www.jrishocks.com/advantage/

So,do You have any real working knowledge of the Ride Tech shock's.What Shock's are you using and how much testing have you done.

MCB Matt 04-25-2012 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolwelder62 (Post 409541)
So,do You have any real working knowledge of the Ride Tech shock's.What Shock's are you using and how much testing have you done.

Fox knows how to build a quality shock....majority of their shocks are beat to crap on lifted truck/rock crawlers....Ridetech knows this and thats how Ridetechs shocks are proven.

DSE will do well with JRI, otherwise they will stand behind them and fix any issues which i doubt will arise.

Matt

ironworks 04-26-2012 03:22 PM

Ironworks is a dealer for both Ridetech and JRI. I Met JJ at the GNRS back in January. I was impressed by the ability to get to talk to a guy who tunes shock on a race car any given weekend. Bret and those guys know their product but they are not marketing their shock to the same market. I like to have smart friends, they get you out of a pinch when needed.

I think there is a place for both in the market. We have been selling Ridetech coilover's on our chassis's since they came on the market. Ridetech makes a really nice shock that is built by a quality company named FOX. Now JRI I took as being the more race oriented shock. They are have shocks for all kinds of racing applications. Sprint Cars to Drag Cars. Sure a guy can put race shocks on his daily driver, But how many guys are going to step up to a bad ass set of double adjustable from JRI at 3600 bucks for the set. Not to many. Now race car guys looking for any kind of edge will be all over it no matter the cost.

Is one better then the other? I would hope that the top end JRI shock at twice the money for the top end Ridetech would be better. They have the same sales margin, so there is no more money for the dealers. So unless JRI is just killing it I would hope it is stuffed with a little better parts here and there on the inside. You can always find something better for more money, I still believe you can get what you pay for, But is there a market to sell that better product. People can only buy the quality they can afford. I think when you get to the upper skill level of anything and you can notice the difference then they are meant for you.

We offer them for the guys who wants them. Some guys will spend big money just because they can. I have used lots of other brand of shocks and I think these to brands cover the basis for all the guys looking at out production chassis's and our custom builds.

coolwelder62 04-26-2012 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 410347)
Ironworks is a dealer for both Ridetech and JRI. I Met JJ at the GNRS back in January. I was impressed by the ability to get to talk to a guy who tunes shock on a race car any given weekend. Bret and those guys know their product but they are not marketing their shock to the same market. I like to have smart friends, they get you out of a pinch when needed.

I think there is a place for both in the market. We have been selling Ridetech coilover's on our chassis's since they came on the market. Ridetech makes a really nice shock that is built by a quality company named FOX. Now JRI I took as being the more race oriented shock. They are have shocks for all kinds of racing applications. Sprint Cars to Drag Cars. Sure a guy can put race shocks on his daily driver, But how many guys are going to step up to a bad ass set of double adjustable from JRI at 3600 bucks for the set. Not to many. Now race car guys looking for any kind of edge will be all over it no matter the cost.

Is one better then the other? I would hope that the top end JRI shock at twice the money for the top end Ridetech would be better. They have the same sales margin, so there is no more money for the dealers. So unless JRI is just killing it I would hope it is stuffed with a little better parts here and there on the inside. You can always find something better for more money, I still believe you can get what you pay for, But is there a market to sell that better product. People can only buy the quality they can afford. I think when you get to the upper skill level of anything and you can notice the difference then they are meant for you.

We offer them for the guys who wants them. Some guys will spend big money just because they can. I have used lots of other brand of shocks and I think these to brands cover the basis for all the guys looking at out production chassis's and our custom builds.

Very Well said.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Ron in SoCal 04-26-2012 10:55 PM

That right there is the difference between educating customers and just showing up.

Way to go Roge...:cheers:

FETorino 07-12-2012 12:09 AM

One thing that JJ told me in a conversation is that the JRI shock build is modular.

If you start with a non adjustable shock at $300 a pop you can send them back to JRI for an easy upgrade to single, double or double with remote reservoirs without starting from scratch. Basically you'd end up paying the difference in price + a fee for the rebuild.:D

chetly 10-15-2012 02:19 PM

Jeff Ryan, the JR in JRI was the student of Bob Fox, owner/designer of FOX shock. Jeff then went on to Penske shocks and after Roger sold Penske shock to an investment company Jeff decided to branch out on his own and start up JRI with others from Penske.

Detroit Speed is using JRI because they are a better shock than afco, and 2 because Mike Maier of Maier Racing introduced JRI to Detroit Speed being they are in the same town.


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