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JRI shocks
I see Detroit speed has switched to JRI shocks with their subframes now. Anyone use these before? Was there a problem with the old style?
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There's nothing wrong with the Afco shocks that DSE has been using. In my opinion, they're a great deal, and a quality all around shock. I've got them on my car, which has complete DSE suspension, and I don't feel the need to change. I'm simply not a good enough driver to warrant going out and replacing something that is already pretty good. The JRI ones are just better. JRI's shocks are supposed to provide much better rebound damping than Afco, which has allowed the DSE test cars to pick up (or would that be lose..?) a bit of time on the track. The Afcos had a bit of a difficult time handling quick transitions, i.e. a really fast, and sharp left-right-left series of turns. I even noticed it a little on a few autocrosses. How much better are the JRI shocks? I'd like to know as well. JRI's are some of the best out there; many of the top competitors are running their shocks. With DSE always looking to up their game, and JRI looking to branch into our segment, I'm really not surprised to see the partnership.
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and Mike Maier runs JRI shocks... just sayin. They must be ok.
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For those who are looking to upgrade there koni's or afco's, Wes at DSE tells me the adjustable remote canister JRI's are 900 bucks a piece :wow: Im looking for some adjustment and think Im gonna talk with ridetech about there tripples, Im just curious how the ridetech and JRI's differ/compare to each other.
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Just as a little back story JRi is a team of people that left Penske to make THE best shock on the market for our application. If anyone is looking for a great car setup and shock tuning guy then I would talk to : http://ankenyracingenterprises.com/home.htm |
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http://detroitspeed.com/1967-1969%20...-subframe.html Coming from a racing background and Penske, I have to wonder about reliability on the street. Shocks are clearly a BIG deal if regards to performance. I doubt DSE would use them unless they are reliable in a street application. They want to be at the front of the pack to sell more parts. Those DSE cars have changed a lot of the past 3 years. Kyle is one hell of a better driver and the cars are more Rowdy to achieve these goals. Just one more step in the progression towards a full blown race series. :lol: |
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And for those saying the JRIs are massively better than Afco or Ridetech's offerings, that is probably true. I am going to have to pull out a food analogy on this though :lol: I would liken the Afco and Ridetech shocks to a good ol' chunk of well marbled choice cut New York steak. The JRI's would be prime. If you asked most of us to cook those two steaks ourselves, they would probably end up tasting pretty similar. My point is that I think you're going to need someone pretty skilled to make the JRIs really shine. For the cost of upgrading all four corners, I think I would rather just go to driving school for a week. If it was an option at the time of purchase, I'd be willing to shell out the money. Matt |
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I saw a couple cars At RTTC running other "masively inferior" shocks that ended up doing not to bad. I am not saying they are not good, better or the best because I have no information to base an opinion on, but the hype is definatly there, the credentials are there no doubt all that should add up to a great product. |
I'm with you Matt. You are getting awful good at these analogies. :D I'd bet the difference between the afco/jri and ridetech/jri is a a different ball game. One of these days I'll get rid of these single adjustable varishocks and I'll let you know.:lol:
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Right now I would like to get something that is adjustable. Already made the mistake of not getting the upgrade when I purchased the sub from DSE. If you want to purchase them with out a subframe they are 900 a piece, don't want to spend 3600 on all four corners. Im sures ridetech will serve my purpose and driving skill.
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That price of $999 is the upgrade price over the base coil overs. If you are looking to buy them outright I believe the price is $1499. I bought my QuadraLink this winter without coil overs to break up the cost a bit. Now I'm all sorts of confused about what direction to go. It looks like pricing is $500 for the base shock, $950 for single adjustable, $1499 for double adjustable, and $1800 for the canisters. All those prices are per pair. This is what I gathered from speaking to Dan @ DSE over the phone today. |
To rich for my blood. The ridetech shocks have been getting great reviews and they are affordable.
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Also, does anyone know how often the JRI shocks need maintenance? I have to image in base ones are built to last a while... Matt |
I'm assuming they are $1300 for a PAIR of Triple Adjustables. If not, put a shoe in my mouth.
You know I'm with you on reliability. |
Maaaan, I'm glad I'm just a street guy that likes to cruise around. I'll leave all this talk about big, high dollar triple adjustable JRI shocks to you track guys. :P :P
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http://www.jrishocks.com/advantage/ |
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If the JRI's are anything like the Penskes, racers are re-valving every year or so. James would know... |
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That being said, the Penskes were a true competition shock being used on the street and while Jri does make true competition shocks as well, I am fairly sure that there are some differences between what's on Clint's car and what DSE and Ironworks and Meier are offering for our cars. |
The Ride Tech Triple's retail for $1300.00 per pr. w/spring's.They are an awesome pc.They come w/ canister mount's,and 1/2" & 5/8" CNC'd spacer Bushing's.The machining is a work of art.And they Work very well.Kevin's has turned into a real performer w/the Ride Tech shock's and 4-Link system.I have seen the JRI's and They are top notch.Everybody need's to buy the brand they feel will work best for them.:thumbsup:
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So I'm considering the dse subrame and quadralink but it seems there are now questions about the durability of the shocks. I don't want any strung out noisy shocks for the street (been there done that) that blow their seals and leak from daily driving. Maybe someone from jri or dse could comment?
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Sorry my comments were more along the lines of them switching from the tried and tested afcos to the new jri's which may or may not be as durable.
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I tend to agree that they wouldn't use a shock that isn't proven, reliable, and a better performer. Time will tell.
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DSE will do well with JRI, otherwise they will stand behind them and fix any issues which i doubt will arise. Matt |
Ironworks is a dealer for both Ridetech and JRI. I Met JJ at the GNRS back in January. I was impressed by the ability to get to talk to a guy who tunes shock on a race car any given weekend. Bret and those guys know their product but they are not marketing their shock to the same market. I like to have smart friends, they get you out of a pinch when needed.
I think there is a place for both in the market. We have been selling Ridetech coilover's on our chassis's since they came on the market. Ridetech makes a really nice shock that is built by a quality company named FOX. Now JRI I took as being the more race oriented shock. They are have shocks for all kinds of racing applications. Sprint Cars to Drag Cars. Sure a guy can put race shocks on his daily driver, But how many guys are going to step up to a bad ass set of double adjustable from JRI at 3600 bucks for the set. Not to many. Now race car guys looking for any kind of edge will be all over it no matter the cost. Is one better then the other? I would hope that the top end JRI shock at twice the money for the top end Ridetech would be better. They have the same sales margin, so there is no more money for the dealers. So unless JRI is just killing it I would hope it is stuffed with a little better parts here and there on the inside. You can always find something better for more money, I still believe you can get what you pay for, But is there a market to sell that better product. People can only buy the quality they can afford. I think when you get to the upper skill level of anything and you can notice the difference then they are meant for you. We offer them for the guys who wants them. Some guys will spend big money just because they can. I have used lots of other brand of shocks and I think these to brands cover the basis for all the guys looking at out production chassis's and our custom builds. |
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That right there is the difference between educating customers and just showing up.
Way to go Roge...:cheers: |
One thing that JJ told me in a conversation is that the JRI shock build is modular.
If you start with a non adjustable shock at $300 a pop you can send them back to JRI for an easy upgrade to single, double or double with remote reservoirs without starting from scratch. Basically you'd end up paying the difference in price + a fee for the rebuild.:D |
Jeff Ryan, the JR in JRI was the student of Bob Fox, owner/designer of FOX shock. Jeff then went on to Penske shocks and after Roger sold Penske shock to an investment company Jeff decided to branch out on his own and start up JRI with others from Penske.
Detroit Speed is using JRI because they are a better shock than afco, and 2 because Mike Maier of Maier Racing introduced JRI to Detroit Speed being they are in the same town. |
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