what headers for 69 camaro w dse sub,
 

looking to hopefully buy headers soon for 69 camaro w dse sub , solid body mounts, ls6 , t56 mag combo. I love dse headers but $$$ is holding me back anything else out there that would give all the clerances needed especially the collector to floor.also would like to get 3" stainless exhaust kit that I can rework to meet my needs ?
any sugestions

I'd save your money Frank.....there that nice.

Oh thanks that's not what I Want to hear. Lol

Hands down the sweetest set up for a DSE sub car. Fit/finish, clearance...you name it. Lemons/others custom headers cost the about the same. Maybe just buy a one brand at a time from Summit and return if they don't fit to your liking?

Frank, I have a set of SS Kooks 1 7/8 headers that are made for 1st gen camaros with LS engines.... I had to modify the Pasenger side to clear the frame.....What I did was cut 1/4 inch from each runner that are welded at the Header Flange....I angle the header so it clears the frame and then I tack them in place....My headers will clear an Art Morrison,Wayne Due and Speedtech Frames.Who knows they might just be a direct fit and you will save alot $$$ :unibrow: If shipping was not so much, I would ship them to you for testing.

Good looking out on the info Philip. You can always save by shipping them one way. :D

Ls Headers
 

I Used Dynatech On Mine! Worked Out Perfect For My Ls Swap. For Plates I Used 1" Set Back !

That is not a DSE subframe though. OP has one which has R&P so normal LS swap headers may not clear the steering shaft

Do the ATS headers fit the DSE sub frame? I cant find anyone with a DSE sub frame with ATS headers.

No they don't unless you want to notch one tube.

Lemons Hugh, those come in SS?

Any one knows what 3" SS exhaust kit I can buy and modify to fit

Running dse quad link in rear and will cut trunk to fit?

No one has one yet that I am aware of.

I'm actually thinking about taking the road less traveled and maybe I'll build my own. I know if I take the route. Mid way I going to wish I had just bought dse.

I've been thinking about that route myself. I picked up a set of 4th gen headers that are close to working. They were relatively cheap and should make a good starting point.

Has anyone tried the Dynatech headers?

I believe that I've seen them used on LS engines in a stock sub and on SBC engine in a DSE sub, but I've not heard of anyone who has tried them on an LS engine with a DSE sub.

Just wondering if anyone knows first hand.

Dynatech will not work in a DSE sub due to the steering shaft for the rack.

Thanks for the info. I guess I'll be saving my money for the DSE headers.

If want to save some money you can buy a set of Hooker headers. Don't know what part number they are, but that's what I'm running. I never could justify 3k+ for a set or Lemons or ATS ones.

Matt

The dynatechs will fit the DSE sub with a LS and clear the steering shaft if you use the mounts that set the engine back! BUT they have very little ground clearance with car at a low ride height. I am looking into Stainless Works or DSE headers myself!
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how much do they hang below the sub?

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Is that due to the 3 bolt collector under the floor? That is low.

It's a 4 bolt collector. There is maybe 2.5 to 3 inches from the top of the collector flange to the floorpan. I do have the half height sub bushings but .5 of an inch won t help that much.I would like to see a Camaro with the stainless works before I order them, I know the DSE headers will work but that is an expesive set of headers. I always tell everybody else not to do things twice. Only good thing is this is one of two things I would change about my build, the other would be higher end shocks! The car ran great at RTOS with the ls2 to only have 10 miles on it! But I guess I have spent the cash on the rest of the DSE suspension I might as well go all the way! You only live once right!lol

I've not seen the Stainless Works LS headers with the DSE sub. Has anyone used this combination?

well I'm still on side lines to see if something comes out of this thread. DSE has me on a corner, :wow:

Lemon's headers. Good stuff

I have pics of the DSE headers in the DSE sub and can click off a few pics for you if that would help--I can tell you they fit like they should and only slightly hang below the subframe at the collector flange. Ground clearance was a huge item for me---I was thinking shorty headers, but didn't want to give up the HP/TQ. I got mine for 2k---that's quite a grip for a set of headers, i'll be the first to agree.

Dont skimp on headers. Get the DSE set for their sub, just one less thing to worry about. I've made mistakes with headers before and it sucks bigtime. From ground clearance issues to redoing the exhaust.

Lemons stainless are actually more than DSE.

Il be getting a quote on header material to see if it's worth the savings and effort.

How is the ground clearance with the Hooker headers?

I've had problems with hooker on ground clearance. Big block super comp.

Is anyone running DSE subframe, DSE headers and a stock 69 column?

dse header fitment issues
 

ordered these about 2 1/2 months ago , finally got them yesterday and they are a piece of art but driver side does not fit it hits the shock tower on dse sub, I've double checked pinion angle , engine center to sub,etc. running all DSE complete sub w engine mounts
so as you can see in the pick, just mocked to check fitment , no gasket but it hits sub and does not allow to sit flush to heads its off by quite a bit. any one had this experience or any ideas on the cause besides defect.
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another anglehttp://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/...1/photo2-2.jpg

Do you have the 060404 mount kit? It sets the motor back and required with their headers.

Yeah i'm Using they're ls motor mounts. Have to call them on mon

I got 060401 mounts , when I ordered sub assembly and LS mounts they never mentioned that I would need 060404 if I wanted to use they're headers, was not aware of two different Ls motor mount options for they're sub.
So now the trans tunnel , built in trans cross member , drive shaft, fire wall etc was built around these dimensions, I can not just swap mounts , and don't want to cut up $2500 headers $&@@$$&@@ I'm kind of in *^%# up position.

Hopefully it's as simple as another set of mounts. :thumbsup:

No it's not, I would have to cut up whole lot of car ,
1st i would need to recess magnacharger belt on to firewall,
2nd cut out trans cross member built and welded onto floor dse style
3rd cut inland empire 3.5" brand new drive shaft
4th redo trans tunnel
List goes on
I may have to build my own after all.