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Gofast 03-08-2013 08:00 PM

BluePrint Engines Pro Series Chevy LS 427
 
I have been looking at this engine from blue print engines. Has anyone ran one of these or know anything about the company.

http://blueprintengines.com/index.ph...f-engine-specs

dduke2 03-15-2013 10:01 AM

I am curious also.
 
I am interested also.. Please post feedback.

BluePrint Engines 03-15-2013 02:19 PM

Gofast and dduke2,

I wanted to come on here and let you know if you have any specific questions about the LS engine please let me know and I will be glad to help.

Thanks,

Andrew Obermeier
BluePrint Engines

[email protected]

bowtienewbie 03-16-2013 02:53 AM

Hey guys... working on a new to me '69 Maro and came across your post. I was looking at the 427 from blueprint also. I've been looking around for awhile and came across this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7epehLbatCo

Which later lead me to this:

http://www.streetlegaltv.com/project...thread-update/

I found a couple of other posts from guys with their LS. Yellow Bullet maybe?? If I find them I will post.

I'm still about 6 months out but need to start saving now for it!

XLexusTech 03-16-2013 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluePrint Engines (Post 470584)
Gofast and dduke2,

I wanted to come on here and let you know if you have any specific questions about the LS engine please let me know and I will be glad to help.

Thanks,

Andrew Obermeier
BluePrint Engines
Product Specialist
1.800.483.4263 ext # 138
[email protected]

Andrew, do you offer 500 HP ls3 options? anything in the 6-8K range?
Also those muscle car pans stick down too low in the Gen1 F body.. do you offer options?

Gofast 03-16-2013 10:25 AM

I just ordered a engine this week from blue print I got the 427 retro fit fuel injection one

XLexusTech 03-16-2013 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofast (Post 470703)
I just ordered a engine this week from blue print I got the 427 retro fit fuel injection one

Awesome... keep us posted on how you make out... what harness and pan are you using and whats it going into?

carbuff 03-16-2013 01:21 PM

Personally I would love to see some dyno plots on the various engines, but particularly the 427 with the 4-barrel EFI setup. That's similar to what I'm using in my car, but it's good to know what I may want to step up to in the future. ;)

Gofast 03-16-2013 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XLexusTech (Post 470710)
Awesome... keep us posted on how you make out... what harness and pan are you using and whats it going into?

I'm putting it in a 1970 CST 10 with a t56 It comes with a harness and oil pan it should fit i will find out soon i will post it in the truck section soon I'm currently boxing the frame in.

dduke2 03-18-2013 11:14 PM

Thanks for sharing the info
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bowtienewbie (Post 470671)
Hey guys... working on a new to me '69 Maro and came across your post. I was looking at the 427 from blueprint also. I've been looking around for awhile and came across this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7epehLbatCo

Which later lead me to this:

http://www.streetlegaltv.com/project...thread-update/

I found a couple of other posts from guys with their LS. Yellow Bullet maybe?? If I find them I will post.

I'm still about 6 months out but need to start saving now for it!


I am also 6 months out. I will post pictures of build.. Again thanks

dduke2 03-18-2013 11:16 PM

Keep me posted please..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofast (Post 470703)
I just ordered a engine this week from blue print I got the 427 retro fit fuel injection one

Please keep me posted. I should be ready in 6 months. I have a 68 camaro ss

BluePrint Engines 03-19-2013 12:00 PM

Hey guys I wanted to get back on and give you an update, I did just add a video of the PSLS4242CTF running on the dyno to our YouTube page, here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wtOJmqXnLw

XLexusTech,
Currently we are only offering the 427ci LS3 and they all are going to be right at the 625HP range but we do have some LS options still in R&D that will be based off of the iron block. We know the GM muscle car pan is far from optimum, so we have engineered and designed a new pan from the ground up, it has improved baffling and improved flow to and from the filter. We're getting the foundry molds made and we should have our first castings in a couple months. I think you will like the new design!

Andrew Obermeier
BluePrint Engines

[email protected]

71RS/SS396 03-23-2013 06:31 AM

Whose crank and rods do you use? I don't see a name listed in your specs.

vstol 03-23-2013 06:48 PM

I am leaning this way as well. Andrew looking for the dyno sheets on both the FI and Carb LS3 427's. On your web site they are the same hp but on the Jegs web site the FI is 585hp? Thanks Kevin

Gofast 04-16-2013 10:07 PM

I just recived my Blue Print Engine
 
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Today I received my LS engine from Blue Print. This thing is awesome, it came with all sensors, ECU, wiring harness, Header gaskets and a drive-by wire GM gas pedal. I'm really impressed with the dyno sheet. Also the engine on their website says it has 625 HP 565 ft/lbs. When I looked at the dyno sheet with my engine I have 632.2 HP and 601.6 ft/lbs, which is pretty cool to get an extra 7.2 HP and 33.9 ft/lbs. I also need to say that their customer service was excellent. One of the coils had a chip on it, which I'm guessing from shipping, so I called up Andrew Obermeier BluePrint Engines Product Specialist, who commented on this forum "if you need any help just ask". I called and left a message for him and in less than 15 minutes he called me back and gave me a claim # and said the part will ship out tomorrow. I'm really happy with the engine and all the extras and would recommend them to everyone looking to get a bad ass LS motor.

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Sieg 04-16-2013 11:28 PM

Happy Days!

Looking forward to the driving impressions. :thumbsup:

Todd in vancouver 04-16-2013 11:39 PM

Really nice looking set-up. An LS427 is in my future so please keep adding to this thread after you get it in and running with your impressions. I'm impressed to hear how they handled your concerns because that is the type of company I want to do business with.

MarkM66 04-20-2013 07:43 AM

Looks like a nice choice. For the price per power, and weight, it'd be hard to beat.

XLexusTech 04-20-2013 09:09 AM

I have heard over stroked LS3's were prone to heat problems. Is this Engine config a risky one?

Gatekeeper 05-02-2013 05:29 AM

Very nice engine build. :thumbsup:

FIFTY-FIVE 05-09-2013 09:28 PM

Very nice engine package. Quite impressive for the price!

vstol 06-28-2013 06:11 PM

so how is it coming along

Gofast 06-30-2013 02:10 AM

It's going good I'm almost done boxing the frame in and after that I will mount the engine and make the template for the t56 cross member. I will post pictures when I have it on the frame.

vstol 06-30-2013 03:06 PM

thanks I just got my car back (below) so I am a few months out. Kevin

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-t...ica-kinda.html

vstol 07-27-2013 06:28 AM

any more updates

6D9 08-26-2013 07:26 PM

I'm interested to in what crank/rods/pistons are in it.

coolwelder62 08-26-2013 08:42 PM

I believe they using Scat product's.

RdHuggr68 08-31-2013 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolwelder62 (Post 501597)
I believe they using Scat product's.

I asked Blueprint the same question,never got an answer back, I have heard more negative comments than positive. Anybody have different comments on Scat? :hairpullout:

camcojb 08-31-2013 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RdHuggr68 (Post 502468)
I asked Blueprint the same question,never got an answer back, I have heard more negative comments than positive. Anybody have different comments on Scat? :hairpullout:

A machinist/builder that I completely trust has no problem using Scat in builds that cannot afford or need the higher end stuff. Of course he always measures everything just to verify which should always be done regardless of the quality or cost of the parts used.

MarkM66 09-01-2013 08:16 AM

I'd be more concerned with the machinist/builder then the name. Even if it's not 100% correct, he'll be able to realize that, then fix it.

Flash68 09-01-2013 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparks67 (Post 502538)
The Scat crankshaft forging is made in China, and I personally know that Brian Thomson of Thomson Automotive wouldn't use a Scat crank. Brian tests all the parts out and is very selective on the parts. You machinist could check everything, and the crank would fail because of the poor quality forgings from china. It is based on the quality of the material.

Jeff

I am wanting a made in the USA argument to erupt here, but like it or not, the Chinese forgings aren't all as bad as many make out. And a lot of the Chinese products are getting better every day, whether it's widgets or car parts. That is just reality.

Callies Compstar rods and cranks are used by many good engine builders and they are a good product, to name one.

garickman 09-01-2013 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparks67 (Post 502541)
Callie Compstar rods are made at Japan Kobe. I spent lot of time talking to Brain Thomson on parts. Brian doesn't like the Callie Rods, but has used them in engines. Actually, he said that they make the worse rod in the industry. He prefers Oliver, Crower, and Carrillo rods. So how do you know Callie rods are quality part? Brian Thomson tests engines for GM and see's when parts will fail in engine. I have Crower parts in my engine. Crower uses Pacific Forge http://www.pacificforge.com/whypacificforge.html

I never forget buying a Chinese Grade 8 bolt and seeing it shear in half on the first use. I never buy Chinese products again. Why? China has no quality control!! I have a PhD friend that worked for the Bureau of Mines and said the best iron ore is in the USA. I rather not put the American worker out of work.

Jeff

I have Callies Ultra XD rods in my LS7 that Wegner Motorsports just built. Both Brian Thomson and the lead engine builder Gary Nelson from Wegner told me they were one of the best rods on the market. According to Callies, there Ultra rods are 100% USA, forged in Michigan and fully machined in there Ohio facility.

Flash68 09-01-2013 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparks67 (Post 502541)
Callie Compstar rods are made at Japan Kobe. I spent lot of time talking to Brain Thomson on parts. Brian doesn't like the Callie Rods, but has used them in engines. Actually, he said that they make the worse rod in the industry. He prefers Oliver, Crower, and Carrillo rods. So how do you know Callie rods are quality part? Brian Thomson tests engines for GM and see's when parts will fail in engine. I have Crower parts in my engine. Crower uses Pacific Forge http://www.pacificforge.com/whypacificforge.html

I never forget buying a Chinese Grade 8 bolt and seeing it shear in half on the first use. I never buy Chinese products again. Why? China has no quality control!! I have a PhD friend that worked for the Bureau of Mines and said the best iron ore is in the USA. I rather not put the American worker out of work.

Jeff

I know Thomson is a reputable shop, but I guess if Brian Thompson doesn't/won't use it then it must be junk. :rolleyes:

My point is -- and the Blueprint engines are an example -- there are plenty of value oriented parts out there.

And who wouldn't "prefer" an Oliver, a Crower, or a Carrillo? Not everyone is building a $25-30k engine.

camcojb 09-01-2013 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparks67 (Post 502538)
The Scat crankshaft forging is made in China and shipped to the USA for finishing by SCAT, and I personally know that Brian Thomson of Thomson Automotive wouldn't use a Scat crank. Brian tests all the parts out and is very selective on the parts. You machinist could check everything, and the crank would fail because of the poor quality forgings from china. It is based on the quality of the material.

Jeff

I doubt Brian said it "would" fail, but I'll give you that it "could" fail. So can Oliver billet rods, and so can ANY high performance part regardless of quality or price. I built a 482 ZL1 engine for a friends Camaro 5 years ago. And somehow that Scat crank is still hanging in there with multiple 7000+ rpm blasts. I'm surprised that it hasn't broken in half yet............ :lol:

Vegas69 09-01-2013 05:26 PM

I put a Callies Compstar in my ZL1. When I think of Scat, I think cheap and couldn't bring myself to use one in such a high end engine. I really don't know if a huge benefit exists, I just like Callies reputation in crankshafts. With that being said, a Scat is more than adequate for your average hot rodder or drag racer. You do need to start sourcing higher quality pieces when it comes to an all out application like a road racer.

camcojb 09-01-2013 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparks67 (Post 502590)
Any crankshaft can fail based on too high rpms, but if the part is made inferior then it will fail. Scat crank at 7000 rpm is still with the stated specs. My friend took his big block to 8000 rpm, and the Lunati Pro series crank is still going strong after 13 years. Tell your friend to take to 8,000 rpms and see on how long your scat crank lasts. :rofl: The engine has been rebuilt a few times, but he bought a quality USA made crankshaft. The latest upgrade he bought some expensive heads, but he has made 1100 horsepower and 900ft/lbs of torque.

Actually, he has bought cheap parts in the past for drag racing his 69 Camaro, and he had to replace them more times than buying quality parts.
So, in the end it costs you more in racing.

In this thread, though, I go for the LS7. The LS7 can be upgraded in the future for more power.

Apples and oranges Jeff. An 8000 rpm big block is different than a 7000 rpm setup. Few people would recommend a Scat crank in an 8000 rpm big block. He wasn't building an all out engine, just a nice pump gas big block that was fun to drive. So far it's worked fine, and has worked fine in many other street engines.

I've spent plenty of money in the past with the best parts, but those were for max effort builds. You cannot expect (and don't need) the best parts in EVERY build.

GregWeld 09-01-2013 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 502596)
You cannot expect (and don't need) the best parts in EVERY build.



Spot on Jody! I bought a Smeding crate motor for my '32 Ford... a motor I wouldn't DARE or even think about putting in the Mustang for the track. But it's "plenty" and "just fine" for the light little roadster to cruise around with.

camcojb 09-01-2013 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparks67 (Post 502606)
You can also buy OEM crankshaft from GM. In this thread, it was an LS engine. Although, you have seemed to switched it to a big block. The OEM manufacturer tests their products more than aftermarket products. So, if you was building a LS3 427 then would you chose a Chinese Scat crank or OEM GM crankshaft.

Scat is cheaper, but only about $60. = Summit price is $797 for 4.0 Stroke crankshaft.

LS7 Crankshaft is $859.

http://www.newgmparts.com/partlocato...086&startrow=6

Blueprint doesn't list their stroke, but to get to a 427 with LS3. Most engine builders are using a 4.125 stroke crank, which cost is more. $1,037.
Jeff

I was speaking of Scat in general, and related it to one used in an engine I assembled. Nothing more.

coolwelder62 09-05-2013 08:22 PM

I don't believe the Blueprint LS-427 is an all out road race power plant.I believe it would make an Pro-touring,goodguy autoX motor.I think if you want an 8000RPM full race motor you look at SB2/R07,or if money not a problem then a high reving KaTech LS dry sump style motor.

camcojb 09-06-2013 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparks67 (Post 503480)
No, I think you miss the point that was I trying to make. Jody stated that he had built one engine with SCAT crank (Chinese crank), and never had an issue with it. I have recently found 2 engine builders that have built 5 engines each, so 10 engines. The Scat cranks had failed in engine. Horsepower on the engines were 370hp. Scat put out this disclaimer on the breaking the nose crankshaft. http://www.scatcrankshafts.com/scatt...k_the_Nose.pdf Anyway. If my goal was a 427, then the LS7 would better choice. One reason is better resale than an LS3.

Jeff

Actually what I said was that an engine builder who I trust uses them in his lower dollar builds and has no problems. They are not LS engines however, mostly big block Chevy's. ;)


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