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garickman 05-28-2013 09:34 AM
1971 Pro Touring Trans Am with a twist
 
1971 Firebird

camcojb 05-28-2013 10:15 AM
What happened with this?

https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=34813

fleetus macmullitz 05-28-2013 11:03 AM
Hi Greg,

Like many here I too have been wondering about the progress of the memorial car. :)

Sorry to hear of the lack of progress recently.

The Firebird you're starting with looks amazing...wow!

Are you going to post a rendering?

You do know we have a 24/7 pic issue, right?

:underchair:

:lol:

Ron in SoCal 05-28-2013 12:29 PM
Congrats Greg! Everything you do is honorable, selfless (except giving Vince a hard time which I'm sure he deserves). :D

Please keep in touch and be mindful of the all powerful mod's comments :cheers:

Vince@Meanstreets 05-28-2013 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by garickman (Post 482948)
Now, for this build. Unlike the police car, about 90% of the parts for this build have already been acquired. The engine is getting shipped to Wegner Motorsports next Monday. Vince has already completed installing the DSE quadralink and subframe connectors. The old tubs have been cut out and the DSE mini tubs have been fitted and mocked up. Vince should be done installing them in the next few weeks. (:poke: Vince are you reading this??) I will be posting some pics later this evening for your viewing enjoyment. I don't have a rendering just yet.
Yep, Im here, just happened to be finishing up with this weeks spread sheets and getting my purchase orders ready for the up coming projects.

I know Greg has been through the wash with other builders so I will do my best to keep progress going at a resonable pace. I'll throw as many pictures that I can up as well. I have a few parts ready to go into CAD for my machinist and many will be as innovative as we can get them. I just wish I had a Lassy trained metal fabricator to come down and lend a hand. I have a bunch of cool tools and equiptment to work with and always have 3 filled argon tanks ready to go in the shop. All of which are paid for might I add.

This should be a pretty fun project for us and we hope it builds interest and momentum for his charity.
Right now we are going through the strip down so we can get it ready for the media blaster for an underside,interior and firewall clean up.

Some of the features to come:

Modify firewall and space for the Peterson dry sump oil tank
raised floor and widen transmission tunnel
modifying and relocating the factory floor supports
notching the frame and DSE tubs to clear the monsterous rear end from The GMR.

Here is the car the way we received getting prepped for the DSE subframe connector installation.
enjoy

fleetus macmullitz 05-28-2013 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 482952)
Congrats Greg! Everything you do is honorable, selfless (except giving Vince a hard time which I'm sure he deserves). :D

Please keep in touch and be mindful of the all powerful mod's comments :cheers:

Very well said Ron. :thumbsup:

(the parts I understood).

:D

Ron in SoCal 05-28-2013 04:38 PM
^ Thx Skipper. I think you understood perfectly :D

Greg did I miss the wheel selection?

Streetking 05-28-2013 07:57 PM
Oh Oh, did someone mention the word Trans Am?:confused59:

fleetus macmullitz 05-28-2013 09:12 PM
Looking real good Greg and Vince. :thumbsup:

Any truth to the rumor that when you 'notch' a gorgeous DSE subframe you need to get their written permission first?

:innocent:


:D

Sieg 05-28-2013 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by garickman (Post 483058)
I don't know about written permission but when Vince said he was going to notch the frame, I thought lightning might strike the building so I went home for the day and had him send me the pics.
Don't worry, it's not the first DSE sub to be "butchered." :thumbsup:

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...ps633c533b.jpg

BBBluey 05-28-2013 10:23 PM
Simply WOW! I'm sure it's going to be amazing.

The 70 -71 Firebird is my dream car. I would've loved having that car just the way it was before you started.

I'm starting to count and save my pennies for your auction.

BTW- I've been reading on this forum a long time and this is the first time I've been inclined to post. Best of luck to you Sir and I'm truely sorry to hear about your friend.

Flash68 05-28-2013 10:50 PM
What an impressive project! :thumbsup:

That Vince guy got some skillz. :guns:

intocarss 05-29-2013 10:25 AM
Everything looks awsome and what a great thing you and the others are doing!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Sieg 05-29-2013 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 483128)
Everything looks awesome and what a great thing you and the others are doing!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Absolutely! My hats off to all involved in this project. :thumbsup:

Sieg 05-29-2013 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by garickman (Post 483131)
Thanks guys! Now if some one could teach me how to answer multiple quotes in one post it would be appreciated
The "+ icon at the bottom right corner includes that post in the ones you want to quote, use the "quote" icon for the last post you want to quote and you're there. :thumbsup:

Vince@Meanstreets 05-29-2013 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by garickman (Post 483131)
Thanks guys! Now if some one could teach me how to answer multiple quotes in one post it would be appreciated
ahh don't worry about it till you get to 10k posts. I like the blue color, its going to pop against the carbon fiber.

I think we need to make you a de burring station.

Sieg 05-29-2013 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by garickman (Post 483140)
:ohsnap: I'm on fire now!:fire:
NOOOOOOO, we've created another multi-post monster!
:D

carbuff 05-29-2013 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by garickman (Post 483167)
This original rendering from 1969 brings up something I would like to get some opinions on. My current plan for the car is all black. Black exterior with a black leather interior and no stripes. Hoping that will appeal to the masses for an auction car.
My personal opinion on these cars is that black drowns out a lot of the good looking body lines of the T/A, especially in pictures. It's hard to photograph a black car well. Granted, you will be at a live auction, but you will want to drum up interest prior to the event.

And while the car is not an original T/A, the white/blue or blue/white combination really does look great on that car!

Red is always a popular auction color also, and perhaps better than the black choice. One of my favorite red cars is John's (NOT A TA) car.

In the end, I personally would probably choose any color BUT black, and this coming from someone whose daily drivers almost always ARE black. :) Take a good look at the picture below. While an awesome car, that is some good camera work to get that shot:

http://thebeautifulist.com/wp-conten...-Customs01.jpg

BBBluey 05-29-2013 02:18 PM
Well, since I'm winning this car, just go ahead and paint it Corvette Anniversary Silver with Black stripes for me. :G-Dub:

BBBluey 05-29-2013 03:12 PM
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I think that in an effort to appeal to the masses, adding stripes would be something the new owner could do easily should they choose to do so. Leave it solid.
For example, I would be very tempted to add the shaker scoop to the hood as well...just like the Firebird in the movie Corvette summer...so stripes on the car could throw that off.
Trans-am with a twist... Check this link:
http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_24184-P...s-Am-1971.html

Sieg 05-29-2013 03:31 PM
My concern with the 2nd Gen snorkel hood is it detracts from the downward slope of the fenders making the nose taller and the squared openings parallel the hood line and not the sweep of the nose. The 1st Gen TA hood does both of those well........just something to consider from someone who's idolized the lines of 2nd Gen TA's since they were new. :thumbsup:

Sieg 05-29-2013 04:50 PM
White and blue has always been a classic for the model......could you go with with carbon accents and tint the carbon blue with clear?
Dark green with carbon could be sharp also but not as popular as the classic white. Just thinking out loud.

Vince@Meanstreets 05-29-2013 06:11 PM
I agree that the CF might date it in the future but I also like the blue stipe idea. You can do a translucent blue over the CF so it still shows in a subtle way.

Sieg 05-29-2013 06:34 PM
If it ain't broke don't fix it?

Vince@Meanstreets 05-29-2013 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by garickman (Post 483250)
I don't know what to think anymore, I like the formula hood but in reality I think the shaker hood would bring more buyers no matter what the paint color is. I am hoping Albert from Carbon Kustoms joins in on the fun. I'm sure he would have a pretty good insight on what would be best for an auction car.
im with Sieg,no, keep it unique. I like your planned but never built theme. It is going to set the car apart from other T/A's. Try not to let things sway your initial ideas. occam's razor theory applies in the car building realm too.

tazzz2_ca 05-30-2013 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by garickman (Post 483250)
I don't know what to think anymore, I like the formula hood but in reality I think the shaker hood would bring more buyers no matter what the paint color is. I am hoping Albert from Carbon Kustoms joins in on the fun. I'm sure he would have a pretty good insight on what would be best for an auction car.
Greg the trick here (resale) has proven to be utilizing stock appearance packages with a twist... I will share a design with you that I plan to build for myself in the next year or two as a 85% Composite TA...

The White with Blue TA package is for the most part the equivalent of a "Re-sale red sports car".... That considered I have identified a composite that will allow me to create the look of a White 70 TA with a "Candy Blue" Carbon Fiber stripe... The interior would be done like my Blue Formula Cochise with the exception of replacing the color and material with 1970 deluxe Blue two tone/actual materials.. The seat stitch pattern would stay constant with mine,, but the material would be swapped out....

It is my personal opinion that this combo will appeal to the broadest range of buyers and give the car a "really sharp" sporty feeling and energy... I also believe it would photograph pretty well given the bright contrast colors and however I don't know how well the base code 10 polar White paint reproduces in print media and maybe someone like Rob McGaffin can chime in here/comment....

tazzz2_ca 05-30-2013 10:19 AM
What was the weight on that rear end complete bud?,,, gotta speak to these guys about a future project and weight is the critical factor for it.... I've been told that titanium wants to fight with itself so to speak so I'm guessing a custom designed light weight Molly rear end might fit the tab (who knows maybe even re-forced with composites too ;-)

RussMurco 05-30-2013 10:26 AM
This is one to keep an eye on and boy, that is some serious eye-candy! Looking great so far!!!

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Originally Posted by tazzz2_ca (Post 483366)
I will share a design with you that I plan to build for myself in the next year or two as a 85% Composite TA....
:huh: 85% composite?! :huh:

Sieg 05-30-2013 11:30 AM
Every time I see The GMR rear's I'm wow'd, even nicer than the ones in Playboy. :unibrow:

Greg, you've really put the pedal down on this build and I'm really looking forward to watching this bird take flight. :thumbsup:

Flash68 05-30-2013 12:37 PM
Greg, this is the first I have seen someone use the integrated primer on an LS motor. Very trick piece they came out with. :thumbsup:

What did Bill Dailey have to say about that primer? (I ask because he has told many a people that priming is unnecessary for most dry sump engines)

fleetus macmullitz 05-30-2013 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by garickman (Post 483167)

Remember it is an auction car in which I am hoping to break the six figure mark so it must appeal to the masses.

Any thoughts??
Greg,

Just wondering, have any Trans-Ams 'clones', for lack of a better term, brought $100K or so at auction?

Xplosiv 05-30-2013 02:17 PM
Im sure you guys know this, but CF hoods and accents can be made out of carbon/kevlar using the black carbon and blue kevlar. That would give it a blue tint without being outwardly bright blue.

Rybar 05-30-2013 03:48 PM
Impressive build, love the direction. Not sure how I missed this thread.

DaleTx 05-30-2013 08:58 PM
First class build here... great pics... I will be following this thread :thumbsup:

I'm curious about the primer for the dry sump system. I haven't seen that before, nice feature.

T_Raven 06-06-2013 12:12 PM
Very nice build so far!

I didn't know that about the formula hood originally being intended for the TA. It would be cool to see a TA built with that hood now that I know that, unfortunately most people don't know that and anyone who owned the car would forever hear how they "ruined" it by putting the wrong hood on.

Of the two styles I prefer the shaker hood and that would probably be better for resale value. Whatever you do don't put a shaker in a Formula hood. I can't stand seeing that. Two induction styles on one hood is dumb. It'd be like ram air scoops on a Camaro cowl induction hood.

Loving that axle. I'm hoping to put some GMR stuff under my 67.

intocarss 06-06-2013 01:38 PM
Drooling comes to mind :trophy-1302:

I never knew that about the T/A hood Thanks, now I can stump my friends LOL

RussMurco 06-06-2013 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 484737)
Drooling comes to mind :trophy-1302:

I never knew that about the T/A hood Thanks, now I can stump my friends LOL
You can also stump them with the original design for the 1970 Formula hood, the one that appeared on the 1976 models!

ProTouring442 06-06-2013 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by garickman (Post 483045)
Well sort of. Did you notice I mentioned in my title Trans am with a "twist". I guess this is as good as time as any to explain the "twist".

As most of you know and for those that don’t, the twin scoop formula hood was designed by Pontiac’s lead designer Bill Porter and it was originally meant to be used on the Trans Am. However, at the time, competitive performance models such as the Dodge Challenger, the Plymouth ‘Cuda and the Ford Mustang were all using functional shaker hoods and the GM exec’s also wanted that feature for the Trans Am. Bill Porter was very much against the design because it cut into the hood’s slender spline and it would not be as functional as the twin scoops. Obviously the GM exec’s won and the twin scoop hood was relegated to be used on what would become the Pontiac Firebird Formula. During a 2000 interview, Bill Porter once said “I always kind of wished the double scooped hood that became the Formula hood, originally done for the Trans Am, would have prevailed because it is functionally superior. Those twin boundary layer scoops up front really gulp in the air!” My plan for this build is to bring the car back to the original design by using the twin scoop formula hood along with the original trans am side vent fenders. Kind of the way it was supposed to be. I guess you could say it's going "Back to the Future".

Here is an original rendering from 1969 and it details what the 1970 Trans Am was supposed to look like.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/...Vol2Issue1.jpg

By the way SW, I got some inspiration on this build from both of your T.A's. The first thing you will probably notice is the darker shade of metallic blue on the engine. The original Pontiac blue's just didn't look right.:thankyou:
As I recall, the shaker was designed to allow a tunnel ram in the Trans Am racing series, which allowed for two carburetors, but specified a stock hood. So they positioned the Shaker (just the air cleaner) to allow for clearance for a tunnel ram. Unfortunately, there was a rule change that kept it from being used in this fashion.

I forget where I read this, so it may not be true.

CRCRFT78 06-06-2013 06:24 PM
If your having a hard time deciding which hood for resale value, how about painting up both styles to match the car as an option for the buyer. They would have the option of having both styles or choosing the one they prefer.

WSSix 06-06-2013 08:39 PM
Very interesting info on the hoods for these cars. I never knew the Formula hood was designed to be on the TA.


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