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NorCal72 06-03-2013 02:16 AM
Flush mount Glass Gen II Camaro
 
Okay guys, I have sent a few PM's to the same glass vendor who does Gen I kits as well as emails on his website, no response what so ever. I have heard from several people that there are kits out there for gen II's. I have searched high ad low, cant find any kits. Can anyone provide a link to a Gen II flush mount kit? Any help would be greatly appreciated, Im getting close needing it. Thanks in advance, Kevin

broken1234 06-03-2013 05:50 PM
Who have you contacted? I went through this a couple of months ago...

NorCal72 06-03-2013 09:04 PM
Im not going to throw any Vendors under the bus, PM me if you want the details. Thanks, Kevin

jariv06 12-20-2013 11:44 PM
Is there any headway on a Gen 2 glass supplier?

glassman 12-21-2013 08:32 AM
Sorry, just saw this. There are NO flush glass "kits" on the market for 2nd gens. With that being said, thats not to say it hasn't been done or impossible to do.
So being a "glassman", it can be a little more difficult to to the w/shield on the 2 gen as the gap around glass to body is a little larger and the curves more "compounded".

What are vinces thoughts on this?

broken1234 12-21-2013 08:20 PM
Who is Vince?

I heard at SEMA that there is at least 1 2nd gen glass kit "in the works", if not a couple. Anybody know anything?

Vince@Meanstreets 12-23-2013 11:39 PM
Thats me.


I spoke to Kevin and I'm just going to do the old school metal fill up. Tired of waiting for a product that might not ever be made.

broken1234 12-25-2013 09:24 AM
Vince, I have seen your work. Nice!

So you are going to fab a new flange at the correct height, and with a slightly smaller opening, so existing glass will work?
A "kit" would have what, bigger glass and some method to properly position in in the existing flange that's too deep?
What about a seal around the perimeter? Just urethane is OK with a properly sized gap?

What's the big deal with making a 2nd gen kit? Who besides that guy in the midwest claims to have a kit?

I'm not there yet on my '70, but I want flush glass!

Brad

glassman 12-25-2013 09:56 AM
Manufactoring the glass is super difficult and very expensive and the demand just wouldn't satisfy the the development costs, so fabbing it is.

The height of the pinchweld is no biggie, you just make up the 1/8 to 3/16 difference with auto glass urethane, but the gap between the edge of the glass and the "flush" of the body is the visual challenge....

IMPALA MAN 12-25-2013 11:54 AM
Custom Glass
 
For years everyone had to modify the sheet metal and body to work around the shape of the glass. There is a company now offering custom glass at a much more affordable price. I am doing an Impala that has a funky rear glass that I want to flush mount this is why I was looking for alternatives.
http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/...pse10162a4.jpg

I met the company at Nashville Goodguys and their card is in my file which is not available to me at this moment. I do however know that they are the company that did the rear window on the Buick done by Rad Rides by Troy.
Just found it. Here is the link:
http://amhotrodglass.com/am/?p=410

Good luck

Vince@Meanstreets 12-25-2013 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by broken1234 (Post 524846)
Vince, I have seen your work. Nice!

So you are going to fab a new flange at the correct height, and with a slightly smaller opening, so existing glass will work?
A "kit" would have what, bigger glass and some method to properly position in in the existing flange that's too deep?
What about a seal around the perimeter? Just urethane is OK with a properly sized gap?

What's the big deal with making a 2nd gen kit? Who besides that guy in the midwest claims to have a kit?

I'm not there yet on my '70, but I want flush glass!

Brad
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Originally Posted by glassman (Post 524850)
Manufactoring the glass is super difficult and very expensive and the demand just wouldn't satisfy the the development costs, so fabbing it is.

The height of the pinchweld is no biggie, you just make up the 1/8 to 3/16 difference with auto glass urethane, but the gap between the edge of the glass and the "flush" of the body is the visual challenge....
Thanks Brad, For me metal work might be easier to do than a $1500 glass set. I enjoy the torture.

We used retail a 1" lip seal in the past but getting the corners right was tough. Having the modern look is cleaner, no lip seal, all body work with a 1/8"- 3/16" gap.

I addtition to adding the sides we would increase the base too from 3/4" to 1 1/8" for a bigger urethane foot print.

pictured before urethane....see what I mean about the corners?

Vince@Meanstreets 12-25-2013 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by IMPALA MAN (Post 524866)
For years everyone had to modify the sheet metal and body to work around the shape of the glass. There is a company now offering custom glass at a much more affordable price. I am doing an Impala that has a funky rear glass that I want to flush mount this is why I was looking for alternatives.
http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/...pse10162a4.jpg

I met the company at Nashville Goodguys and their card is in my file which is not available to me at this moment. I do however know that they are the company that did the rear window on the Buick done by Rad Rides by Troy.
Just found it. Here is the link:
http://amhotrodglass.com/am/?p=410



Good luck
Maybe a bad angle but it looks like your glass would have to be wider to go flush like. Or maybe the Aerocoupe look.

IMPALA MAN 12-25-2013 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 524869)
Maybe a bad angle but it looks like your glass would have to be wider to go flush like. Or maybe the Aerocoupe look.
My point exactly. If I want a flush glass look, one option would be to make the glass wider. In the past that was all but impossible or at least not feasible. Now with AM Hot Rod Glass, I can get one made for around $1500.00 At least that is what they estimated. Could be higher but cheaper than narrowing the body.

Vince@Meanstreets 12-25-2013 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by IMPALA MAN (Post 524898)
My point exactly. If I want a flush glass look, one option would be to make the glass wider. In the past that was all but impossible or at least not feasible. Now with AM Hot Rod Glass, I can get one made for around $1500.00 At least that is what they estimated. Could be higher but cheaper than narrowing the body.
LOL, just a bit.

broken1234 12-25-2013 08:00 PM
The AM folks do acrylic... that's not street legal... or a good idea for a windshield...

Vince, on a 2nd gen, will either the windshield or the back glass look funny after closing up the gap? Is it noticable?

Vince@Meanstreets 12-25-2013 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by broken1234 (Post 524915)
The AM folks do acrylic... that's not street legal... or a good idea for a windshield...

Vince, on a 2nd gen, will either the windshield or the back glass look funny after closing up the gap? Is it noticable?
The rear is a bit. Blending the side and corners are tough.
The front fill can be done easier than the rear so a stock winshield for the front with a larger glass for the rear would be the ticket.

glassman 12-25-2013 10:19 PM
Also too, when using rubber gasket material (and vince you may already know this trick) when "feeding" the gasket around the opening, donot pull the gasket to make the radius tighter (which it will do), compress the gasket as you go around the perimeter. if you dont, what happens is that the chemicals in the gasket "evaporate" over time and cause the gasket to shrink...learned this while doing Catapiller tractors in the late 80's and 90's

fesler 01-06-2016 08:11 AM
I know this is an old post but check us out we will have the glass you guys all want for the popular cars. Working on several now and will all be out this year.


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