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hotwhls 12-05-2013 08:08 AM

Opinions needed on Barret Jackson Entry
 
So I am torn about taking my car to barret-jackson in January. I have a lot number 1289 and its scheduled to go Saturday between 3-5. My thoughts are what do you guys think about the car and what do you think I will get money wise. Its a 69 Carmaro with DSE and LS2/ with tremec 5 spd.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...n=1289&aid=525



Thanks for the input.

64pontiac 12-05-2013 08:35 AM

Probably get half of what you put in, or less? I would say from what I have seen that you would probably see it bring 100-150 range. Depends if they send it up right after a bunch of pro touring/rods and you get the leftover bidders or not.

Dont get me wrong, its a beautiful car, and if you built it for 150 or less then you know something I dont! or your time is free, either way beautiful car!

I dont know, we have a client that has bought a ton from the barrett (not anything that has impressed me or made my job easier) and he payed a decent buck for customs. They are going for more than they used to, but it seems weird. I guess its the clientelle, being older guys that like chrome and shaved doors, but the high end pro touring stuff we all tend to lean towards doesnt get the appreciation that a traditional street rod or custom gets with a ton of chrome and shiny stuff. The PT high end stuff doesnt even bring the parts value sometimes, and the cars with cast chrome foose wheels do really well. go figure.

Your car has a nice blend of traditional street rod and pro touring, so it should do well but then you have to share the profit. Just my 2 cents?

64pontiac 12-05-2013 08:39 AM

Ok i took a closer look and I mean no disrespect with the shaved door handles and chrome comment, I was stereotyping!

Were those pics taken at RK? no luck with a sale?

Jr 12-05-2013 08:42 AM

Beautiful car, but it's very custom...killer interior, dse front and rear, Baer brakes on 4 corners, ls2, but very custom. I hope you get what you want, but the more custom the car, the less it may bring. Hopefully two bidders with more money than they know what to do with want the car. Good luck. I'll be watching (hopefully in person).

GregWeld 12-05-2013 08:55 AM

It's real simple --- IT DEPENDS.


It depends on whether or not you hang around the car and PRESELL it to more than one bidder…. Because to get "money" at an auction --- you need two or three guys minimum to be bidding against each other.

One guy can't raise his own bid.

It depends on what other similar cars sell for before your's hits the block…

It depends on when it runs and what went before it. Maybe the two guys you thought were hot on your car - just stole one that was similar… so now you're down to one bidder.

You take a car to a no reserve auction - it IS going to sell…. you'd just better be prepared to be disappointed rather than thinking your car is suddenly going to make you rich.

GregWeld 12-05-2013 08:58 AM

Oh yeah ---- and the real pro touring buyer with big bucks is going to be saving that for The Mule…. and you run before that. If you ran AFTER the Mule - it might have brought you that buyer that didn't or couldn't snag the car he really wanted.


Just sayin'

hotwhls 12-05-2013 09:32 AM

I should be running after the Mule. I think he is slotted to go in the Solon Selection from 1-3.

Ron in SoCal 12-05-2013 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 520823)
It's real simple --- IT DEPENDS.

Correct.

It is a beautiful car and one would expect it to do well on a Saturday slot. Aside from the Mule there are other cars in your category:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...n=1312&aid=525

Ketzer 12-05-2013 09:38 AM

I agree with Tyler, seems the more cheesy and glitzy (personal opinion), the more they bring. Guys who want a PT style car are usually more into building than buying already done.

If you are sending it to a no reserve auction, you have pretty much exhausted all other options and are planning to give it away for pennies on the dollar.


Jeff-

GregWeld 12-05-2013 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ketzer (Post 520838)
I agree with Tyler, seems the more cheesy and glitzy (personal opinion), the more they bring. Guys who want a PT style car are usually more into building than buying already done.

If you are sending it to a no reserve auction, you have pretty much exhausted all other options and are planning to give it away for pennies on the dollar.


Jeff-



In which case -- your signature line fits the bill perfectly!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

pokey64 12-05-2013 09:48 AM

Car is a little specific as others have said but definitely nice and has good parts. Here’s some additional pics from when I saw it at the 2010 Des Moines GoodGuys. Smart move to clean up some of the original punisher theme before resale.

Best of luck to you!

http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/a...4/IMG_3289.jpg
http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/a...4/IMG_3295.jpg
http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/a...4/IMG_3290.jpg
http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/a...4/IMG_3288.jpg
http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/a...4/IMG_3287.jpg

MarkM66 12-05-2013 09:53 AM

How long has your car been on the market?

I seem to recall it being on RK's website for a long time. Did you buy it from them, or were you trying to have them sell it?

hotwhls 12-05-2013 10:06 AM

I actually traded my 41 Willys straight across for the Camaro. My Willys is still on there site. RK took all the Punisher logos off the body along with the strips on the hood to make it a cleaner look. I am on the fence about selling it. I have not tried any other place to sell it and its not currently on the marker. My intent was to build another car of my own. The orginal builder/owner put tons of money into the car with everything he did. The bottom is just as nice as the top fully polished and painted. Car is a blast to drive (my first hotrod with a manual) and rides great. I wanted to build another 69 with RS chassis and ls7 but I don't know if i can afford it.

Blake Foster 12-05-2013 10:06 AM

I have the Nova consigned at Russo Steele in January, it is a smaller auction for sure. Hoping the car actually gets more attention than being lost in the crowd?? also I have set a reserve on the car, there is NO WAY I am putting my car up to sell to the LOWEST bidder, not going to happen I will keep it if that is the case, I don't have to sell it. and i also don't have the bank roll like say a guy who would sell the MUEL at no reserve.
i plan on standing there for a couple days to boost the interest, I figure i can make more in 2 days promoting the car than I can sitting here posting about it.
The Nova has some history which may help??? it is a proven car, maybe that matters maybe it doesn't
it's a crap shoot no mater what.

clill 12-05-2013 10:35 AM

I'm selling the Mule at no reserve because I have a good auction time at Barrett. We all think our cars are worth x amount. It is usually more than they are actually worth. Barrett does a great job of bringing the buyers. I don't think there is anywhere else that will bring more money for my car. It is not going to be worth more than the high bid so no reserve is the way to go in my mind. The Camaro in this thread has a good time slot so in my opinion it is going to bring all it is really worth at the least. I would not be surprised if his Camaro doesn't bring more than the Mule. The trendy type looking cars seem to do quite well at Barrett-Jackson. The Mule doesn't have alot of flash compared to it.

SSLance 12-05-2013 10:41 AM

Two years ago at Russo and Steele I help to sell a couple of cars. This car was parked two slots away from one of the cars I was helping with and the owners\builder of that car were there all day every day...trying to sell the car as much as they could before it rolled across the block.

They were nervous too, it was a beautiful car, very well built, but specialized for sure. I can't remember what it sold for exactly, 125-150k IIRC, and they were somewhat pleased what it bid up to and sold for...but they worked it HARD for 3-4 days before it rolled through Saturday evening.

Actually, I found the results, it sold for $137,500...no reserve...

http://www.russoandsteele.com/past-c...-Mustang/19471

We did too...and the two cars we sold also brought right up to book value and sold to guys that we had personally worked on in the prior days. That is CRUCIAL.

My partner is taking his ZL1 powered vette to BJ this January and plans to do the same with it, sell it long before it crosses the block. It's a special car...something that a decision to buy can't be made in the 5 minutes or so the car is on the block (much like the one this thread is about).

The one backup you have selling it at a no reserve auction is...you can always be the high bidder. It'll cost you some commissions on both sides, but at least you aren't totally pants down going in.

hifi875 12-05-2013 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clill (Post 520861)
I'm selling the Mule at no reserve because I have a good auction time at Barrett. We all think our cars are worth x amount. It is usually more than they are actually worth. Barrett does a great job of bringing the buyers. I don't think there is anywhere else that will bring more money for my car. It is not going to be worth more than the high bid so no reserve is the way to go in my mind. The Camaro in this thread has a good time slot so in my opinion it is going to bring all it is really worth at the least. I would not be surprised if his Camaro doesn't bring more than the Mule. The trendy type looking cars seem to do quite well at Barrett-Jackson. The Mule doesn't have alot of flash compared to it.

I agree totally, 69 Camaro pt cars do well at b-j. they did last year when I was there and you got a killer time slot. My father in law had ls9 chevy ii that we took out there 2 years ago. Because everything always runs behind it was late Saturday nite before it went off. There was literally no one there to bid except people looking for a deal. He had $250 in it and it hammered for 142500 before buyers premium, he netted around 129K. Prolly cost him some $$$ with the late slot. So yea 50cent on the dollar is about right.

MarkM66 12-05-2013 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSLance (Post 520863)
Two years ago at Russo and Steele I help to sell a couple of cars. This car was parked two slots away from one of the cars I was helping with and the owners\builder of that car were there all day every day...trying to sell the car as much as they could before it rolled across the block.

They were nervous too, it was a beautiful car, very well built, but specialized for sure. I can't remember what it sold for exactly, 125-150k IIRC, and they were somewhat pleased what it bid up to and sold for...but they worked it HARD for 3-4 days before it rolled through Saturday evening.

We did too...and the two cars we sold also brought right up to book value and sold to guys that we had personally worked on in the prior days. That is CRUCIAL.

My partner is taking his ZL1 powered vette to BJ this January and plans to do the same with it, sell it long before it crosses the block. It's a special car...something that a decision to buy can't be made in the 5 minutes or so the car is on the block (much like the one this thread is about).

The one backup you have selling it at a no reserve auction is...you can always be the high bidder. It'll cost you some commissions on both sides, but at least you aren't totally pants down going in.

I remember that Mustang. It also sold the following year at BJ.

http://www.russoandsteele.com/past-c...-Mustang/19471

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...n=1264&aid=466

Ketzer 12-05-2013 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clill (Post 520861)
The Mule doesn't have alot of flash ...

Which unfortunately is the whole point to the Mule and is probably lost on most of the flower shirt wearing crowd at BJ.
I really hope you do well. I hope somebody buys it that will drive it like you did. But as you just said, you're gonna have a good time regardless!


Jeff-

64pontiac 12-05-2013 11:12 AM

Hey Blake if you let me drive it I will come stand next to your nova, you know a pretty face might help it sell! haha ya right. Plus its damn cold here now I could use some warm weather! Not that I am complaining or anything!

GregWeld 12-05-2013 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clill (Post 520861)
I'm selling the Mule at no reserve because I have a good auction time at Barrett. We all think our cars are worth x amount. It is usually more than they are actually worth. Barrett does a great job of bringing the buyers. I don't think there is anywhere else that will bring more money for my car. It is not going to be worth more than the high bid so no reserve is the way to go in my mind. The Camaro in this thread has a good time slot so in my opinion it is going to bring all it is really worth at the least. I would not be surprised if his Camaro doesn't bring more than the Mule. The trendy type looking cars seem to do quite well at Barrett-Jackson. The Mule doesn't have alot of flash compared to it.




I'd buy The Mule all day long -- but you bast age -- you've cost me a f'k'n fortune this last couple years as it is -- so I'm done - stick a fork in me.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Besides - I like electric windows I'm too short to reach across and roll the manuals down.

Stuart Adams 12-05-2013 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 520887)
I'd buy The Mule all day long -- but you bast age -- you've cost me a f'k'n fortune this last couple years as it is -- so I'm done - stick a fork in me.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Besides - I like electric windows I'm too short to reach across and roll the manuals down.

The Mule is perfect for you - just saying. It at least would stay in the community. I like spending others money,LOL. So does Charley I guess!!

GregWeld 12-05-2013 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart Adams (Post 520889)
The Mule is perfect for you - just saying. It at least would stay in the community. I like spending others money,LOL. So does Charley I guess!!




You stay out of it! :hitaxeonthehead:



Don't you have a car to build?? :gitrdun:

Stuart Adams 12-05-2013 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 520891)
You stay out of it! :hitaxeonthehead:



Don't you have a car to build?? :gitrdun:

Yeah, I just hope its this decade, LOL.

Vegas69 12-05-2013 05:49 PM

Not my style but my opinion is that it's a great Barrett car. It appeals to those with the cash. If Charley is telling you it may bring more than the Mule, get the truck on the way.

irishlsxer 12-05-2013 07:34 PM

Well I know one thing; this is definitely the right place to ask for opinions. No shortage:D

Bryan O 12-05-2013 08:29 PM

$70,000.

SWAPMEETCRAZY 12-05-2013 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishlsxer (Post 520979)
Well I know one thing; this is definitely the right place to ask for opinions. No shortage:D

And that's exactly what the OP wanted....I would too if I was taking mine to a no reserve auction...Most of the posters on this thread have "BEEN THERE..DONE THAT" or at least "BEEN THERE ...SEEN THAT" :thumbsup:

irishlsxer 12-05-2013 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWAPMEETCRAZY (Post 521006)
And that's exactly what the OP wanted....I would too if I was taking mine to a no reserve auction...Most of the posters on this thread have "BEEN THERE..DONE THAT" or at least "BEEN THERE ...SEEN THAT" :thumbsup:

I'll rephrase. It's refreshing to see the the opinions follow the request;). C'mon Rob, Matt! Where ya at?! Lol:innocent: :topic: :innocent:

Seriously, Although pretty personalized, your car has a great look to it. I'm no car god, but my father and I Have been to several Barrett Jackson's. IMO, A well built car that stands out like that has more of a chance at hitting solid numbers at bj than possibly something more mundane looking with a pricier drivetrain. Like the big boys said though, You need the right crowd and you need to do your best to market it before it crosses.

SWAPMEETCRAZY 12-06-2013 08:52 AM

^^^ I wasn't trying to be grumpy but that is what he wanted and I agree with you that the camaro (although not quite my taste) should do good especially if that time slot holds.........jmo......jim

Ns RS 12-09-2013 02:00 PM

"I'd buy The Mule all day long -- but you bast age -- you've cost me a f'k'n fortune this last couple years as it is -- so I'm done - stick a fork in me."


Greg,

Buying the Mule will just up your post count beyond 20,000 overnite with “Holy crap you bought the Mule?? Awesome!!! threads.

Your investment will definetly hold its value. If Mark Stielow is the Don Yenko of our times albeit with a better haircut then owning the PT Crown Jewel El Mule is sure to pay dividends handsomely in the future when everyone else comes around to understanding/paying for PT rarity and greatness.

It can function as your back up back up track car.

It’ll serve to keep atleast one full on Chevy in your stable.

This one you can buy just for yourself (and everyone else here)

Charley if Greg sways easy on this and buys I expect 2 tickets to 2014 MCACN with a couple of preztel vouchers.

to hotwhls goodluck with the sale.

chrismoe 12-11-2013 07:39 PM

Punisher branding
 
Hello. To start, nice car. I remember seeing this car at RK motors a while back when it still had the punisher branding on it. In looking at the BJ pics, I still see the shadow of the logo on the quarter panel. May just be me, but, did they re paint the quarters or pull off the logos or ??? Just wondering if there is any trace of the logos still on the car. Can you please let me know.

Thanks,
Chris

hotwhls 12-12-2013 07:22 AM

No there is no trace of anything on the car it just a weird angle picture. All the paint is in perfect shape. I am thinking of not taking the car to barrett I just don't know if the money is going to be there. But if you know someone that may be interested let me know. Thanks

GregWeld 12-12-2013 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ns RS (Post 521717)
"I'd buy The Mule all day long -- but you bast age -- you've cost me a f'k'n fortune this last couple years as it is -- so I'm done - stick a fork in me."


Greg,

Buying the Mule will just up your post count beyond 20,000 overnite with “Holy crap you bought the Mule?? Awesome!!! threads.

Your investment will definetly hold its value. If Mark Stielow is the Don Yenko of our times albeit with a better haircut then owning the PT Crown Jewel El Mule is sure to pay dividends handsomely in the future when everyone else comes around to understanding/paying for PT rarity and greatness.

It can function as your back up back up track car.

It’ll serve to keep atleast one full on Chevy in your stable.

This one you can buy just for yourself (and everyone else here)

Charley if Greg sways easy on this and buys I expect 2 tickets to 2014 MCACN with a couple of preztel vouchers.

to hotwhls goodluck with the sale.



VERY FUNNY. Are you and Charley connected somehow? He's like that little devil dude that sits on your shoulder taunting you to "buy buy buy".

chrismoe 12-12-2013 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotwhls (Post 522252)
No there is no trace of anything on the car it just a weird angle picture. All the paint is in perfect shape. I am thinking of not taking the car to barrett I just don't know if the money is going to be there. But if you know someone that may be interested let me know. Thanks

OK, got it. Yea, appears the light in the pics threw me off. And, if I hear of anyone loooking for a nice Camaro, I will send them your way.

Take care,
Chris

Steve Chryssos 12-12-2013 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotwhls (Post 522252)
No there is no trace of anything on the car it just a weird angle picture. All the paint is in perfect shape. I am thinking of not taking the car to barrett I just don't know if the money is going to be there. But if you know someone that may be interested let me know. Thanks

If Barrett Jackson were a bad idea, Charlie Lillard wouldn't do it. He's really smart. Visit the "results" page on the Barrett-Jackson website and look at the comps from prior events. I think you'll be quite pleased. It's just like real estate. The comparable sales do not lie.

ironworks 12-12-2013 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotwhls (Post 522252)
No there is no trace of anything on the car it just a weird angle picture. All the paint is in perfect shape. I am thinking of not taking the car to barrett I just don't know if the money is going to be there. But if you know someone that may be interested let me know. Thanks

I can tell you it will bring what its worth at Barrett Jackson as long as you pay to put it in the price range appropriate time slot. You can market the car for years online and never get the same buyers you would at Barrett Jackson.

This car will bring just as much or more at Barrett Jackson then it will trying to sell it privately. I don't see what the big risk is people see selling it at BJ.

Rodger

GregWeld 12-12-2013 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 522304)
I can tell you it will bring what its worth at Barrett Jackson as long as you pay to put it in the price range appropriate time slot. You can market the car for years online and never get the same buyers you would at Barrett Jackson.

This car will bring just as much or more at Barrett Jackson then it will trying to sell it privately. I don't see what the big risk is people see selling it at BJ.

Rodger



The RISK is he's a non-recurring single car seller --- and as such --- will most likely NOT get the appropriate time slot that we all know is critical to getting "said value" from his sale.

Go talk to anyone that has had the unlucky (stupid on their part?) early or late Thursday time slot --- or early morning (pick a day)… and there's just no buyers in the house. TIME SLOT is everything at these auctions.

Steve Chryssos 12-12-2013 12:15 PM

So the people at Barrett Jackson are happy to just throw away possible commission on a high dollar build by randomly dishing out weak time slots?

Again -- Look at the comps. Go here:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...vecarlist.aspx

Search 1969 Chevrolet Camaro and look for sale price and other trends relative to the quality of the cars. It will be clear that the process is anything but fast and loose.

ironworks 12-12-2013 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 522307)
The RISK is he's a non-recurring single car seller --- and as such --- will most likely NOT get the appropriate time slot that we all know is critical to getting "said value" from his sale.

Go talk to anyone that has had the unlucky (stupid on their part?) early or late Thursday time slot --- or early morning (pick a day)… and there's just no buyers in the house. TIME SLOT is everything at these auctions.

And their is always going to be the guy who does not get anywhere near what people who did not want to or could bid on the car think it should have brought.... "ALL DAY LONG".

The car has to appeal to the masses or your market is just narrower.

If you have a Saturday time slot for this car and you actually want to sell it, You might as well ride it out, cuz it will sell for what its worth. Its a 69 Camaro there has to be some people in audience that want a 69 Camaro.


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