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USCA 1 12-26-2013 06:53 PM

Ultimate Street Car Association - 2014 rules
 
The 2014 rules for the Ultimate Street Car Association (USCA) are posted at http://ultimatestreetcarassociation.com/usca-rules/

Our rules are constructed to:

Emphasize safety, education and fun
Highlight real street cars
Encourage participation for all skill levels
Provide a consistent event format

​We realize that the rules will not please everyone - in fact, they may not please a lot of people. We have utilized our co-founders extensive professional event knowledge and experience (over 50 years), along with that of our master level sponsors and others, both within and outside of the industry, to create a ruleset that focuses on safety, organization, real street cars, and a fun and inviting spirit of performance street car gatherings. Our goal is to provide world-class performance street car events to owners of all years, makes and models and of all skill levels from beginner to expert.

If you have questions regarding the 2014 rules, please email me, Jimi Day - Co-founder, at [email protected].

Rod P 12-26-2013 10:08 PM

I like the separation classes, 2point penalty per cone

65_LS1_T56 12-27-2013 03:15 AM

Just read thru the rules, I din't see anything that was unreasonable at all. Even though I'm not a big road course guy, the run group descriptions seem nicely split up.

I get the <3000 lb and >3000 classes, but am a little unclear on the "Professional driver" description. Are sponsor cars (not to pick on Kyle, he's a great guy) like DSE considered "professional"? Just a question.

Looking forward to hitting a few of the USCA events next year :thumbsup:

camcojb 12-27-2013 08:53 AM

I need to leave an explanation in regard to what happened to the other rules thread posted yesterday. Jimi had originally posted the rules changes under his FM3 Marketing username. He later decided he wanted the post made under another username he created for handling this event (USCA 1). Since he wanted to keep his new username separate from the old one he had to start a new thread.

I cannot move the replies from the older thread over to this new thread because the forum software merges them according to the time of day they were posted; the earliest one would be post #1, and so on. When I tried, that pushed the new post#1 above down to position #10 or so since it was posted several hours after the original thread started. At that point the thread made no sense at the beginning.

Hopefully I haven't confused you further. :sieg: We had to start the entire thread over, it was not due to any postings or problems in the thread itself. Please feel free to ask your questions again, I promise they will not disappear. :lol:

GregWeld 12-27-2013 09:08 AM

Oh good! Because I thought maybe it got deleted because I kinda sorta said that I liked Tim....

camcojb 12-27-2013 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 525150)
Oh good! Because I thought maybe it got deleted because I kinda sorta said that I liked Tim....

:thankyou:

Jr 12-27-2013 09:30 AM

Question:
Under general rules #2- what about ethanol?

71RS/SS396 12-27-2013 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 525150)
Oh good! Because I thought maybe it got deleted because I kinda sorta said that I liked Tim....

You're lucky you didn't get banned for that! :D

mfain 12-27-2013 10:08 AM

Question: Reference the following: "and have a factory affixed
OE manufacturer production tag or plate. The USCA does not allow kit cars, modern reproductions, or other vehicles that were not issued or do not have a factory affixed OE manufacturer production tag or plate." What about a production vehicle that has a "lost" vin tag but has gone through a state inspection to verify the title and frame serial number and was subsequently issued a state-affixed replacement vin tag? The car in this scenario is not a kit car or reproduction, but rather a production vehicle with a "Government" (state) issued ID tag rather than OE affixed.

Thanks

Pappy

LS7 Z/28 12-27-2013 10:34 AM

I think you guys will find that the rules have been put in place to give a general starting point to go off of, as with any sanctioning body. It's going to tough for Jimi and all of these guys to deal with because they will never be able to keep everyone happy. These rules will be scrutinized and will definitely be amended over time. I'm quite certain there will be many judgment calls made by the officials.

I can't speak for them, but Pappy you are getting way too technical with rule book. A car in the situation you are speaking of will be fine.

With some of this you are just going to have to read between the lines. E85, ethanol should most definitely be allowed. Its essentially "gasoline"

James OLC 12-27-2013 10:41 AM

Jimi had stated previously (yesterday) that E85 was OK.

He had also posted that specific "judgement calls" about individual cars (i.e. Pappy's car or when is a kit not a kit) would be dealt with individually essentially upon request.

I think that they have done a really good job in putting together a pretty broad rule set that doesn't specifically eliminate anybody from participating and having a great time regardless of what they drive.

BMR Sales 12-27-2013 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfain (Post 525164)
Question: Reference the following: "and have a factory affixed
OE manufacturer production tag or plate. The USCA does not allow kit cars, modern reproductions, or other vehicles that were not issued or do not have a factory affixed OE manufacturer production tag or plate." What about a production vehicle that has a "lost" vin tag but has gone through a state inspection to verify the title and frame serial number and was subsequently issued a state-affixed replacement vin tag? The car in this scenario is not a kit car or reproduction, but rather a production vehicle with a "Government" (state) issued ID tag rather than OE affixed.

Thanks

Pappy

My car started life as a European Delivery Vehicle and as Such does not have a Windshield VIN Plate, but is a Production vehicle with a Hard to find VIN Number

T.C.

USCA 1 12-27-2013 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfain (Post 525164)
Question: Reference the following: "and have a factory affixed
OE manufacturer production tag or plate. The USCA does not allow kit cars, modern reproductions, or other vehicles that were not issued or do not have a factory affixed OE manufacturer production tag or plate." What about a production vehicle that has a "lost" vin tag but has gone through a state inspection to verify the title and frame serial number and was subsequently issued a state-affixed replacement vin tag? The car in this scenario is not a kit car or reproduction, but rather a production vehicle with a "Government" (state) issued ID tag rather than OE affixed.

Thanks

Pappy

Pappy, we would allow this vehicle to participate.

USCA 1 12-27-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMR Sales (Post 525180)
My car started life as a European Delivery Vehicle and as Such does not have a Windshield VIN Plate, but is a Production vehicle with a Hard to find VIN Number

T.C.

If the vehicle is not a kit car and it was not built specifically for competition; if it is street legal, licensed, registered and insured we would most likely include it for participation.

USCA 1 12-27-2013 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James OLC (Post 525168)
Jimi had stated previously (yesterday) that E85 was OK.

He had also posted that specific "judgement calls" about individual cars (i.e. Pappy's car or when is a kit not a kit) would be dealt with individually essentially upon request.

I think that they have done a really good job in putting together a pretty broad rule set that doesn't specifically eliminate anybody from participating and having a great time regardless of what they drive.

Thanks James - that's our objective.

Ron in SoCal 12-27-2013 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USCA 1 (Post 525203)
Thanks James - that's our objective.

^ and straight from the director's mouth.

After reading the rules, I think the intent is clear. No purpose built race cars and most every other street car is up for review. This series survives on participation, not exclusion.

I think you guys did a great job Jimmy :cheers:

Jr 12-27-2013 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James OLC (Post 525168)
Jimi had stated previously (yesterday) that E85 was OK.
.

I didn't have time to check the old thread before it was deleted.
But thanks.

mfain 12-27-2013 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USCA 1 (Post 525201)
Pappy, we would allow this vehicle to participate.

Thanks

Pappy

GregWeld 12-27-2013 08:03 PM

This....






http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...us/file-12.jpg







And This.....





http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...r/MU0X0381.jpg




ARE NOT ALLOWED!!



So I'll just show up anyway and harass the heck out of those of you that can run!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sieg 12-27-2013 08:08 PM

Why not get a third car as a back up the qualifies for the series?

The ways it's been going that might be good insurance. :D

Ron in SoCal 12-27-2013 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 525260)
Why not get a third car as a back up the qualifies for the series?
:D

I heard the Mule is available :lol:

Matt@BOS 12-27-2013 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 525260)
Why not get a third car as a back up the qualifies for the series?

The ways it's been going that might be good insurance. :D

Yeah Greg, you should get a Ford Focus or some other street car so you can run these events. You don't need no stinkin' race car to have fun. You said that new cars aren't as fun because they're too good, well, just buy some little POS. I think I'm just going to put a matched set of tires on my good 'ol reliable (knock on wood) daily driver and hit the road for a few out of state events in 2014. I'm getting too old for hot rodding and maintaining old crap :lol: I know we don't ever really attend these races to race, but you should try it sometime. You've picked up or at least counted a good number of cones for me. I feel like I should return the favor. It would also give us something else to tease you about, since the whole height thing has gotten a bit played out.

dontlifttoshift 12-28-2013 06:01 AM

Does every thread have to be about Weld??? :bang: :lol:

Matt, any thoughts on the new, more defined D&E portion of the rules? I still think "judging" carries too much weight (I would like to see 5 judged points instead of 10) but it is much better than what it was.

GregWeld 12-28-2013 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dontlifttoshift (Post 525284)
Does every thread have to be about Weld??? :bang: :lol:



Just trying to do my part in keeping this on the front page....




:military:

Cams-DK 12-28-2013 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 525263)
Yeah Greg, you should get a Ford Focus or some other street car so you can run these events. You don't need no stinkin' race car to have fun. You said that new cars aren't as fun because they're too good, well, just buy some little POS. I think I'm just going to put a matched set of tires on my good 'ol reliable (knock on wood) daily driver and hit the road for a few out of state events in 2014. I'm getting too old for hot rodding and maintaining old crap :lol: I know we don't ever really attend these races to race, but you should try it sometime. You've picked up or at least counted a good number of cones for me. I feel like I should return the favor. It would also give us something else to tease you about, since the whole height thing has gotten a bit played out.

Lincoln town car with OE and air and don't forget the stereo and let's go racing

GregWeld 12-28-2013 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cams-DK (Post 525366)
Lincoln town car with OE and air and don't forget the stereo and let's go racing




Cam --- I might just show up with something like that!!!



LOL

Ron in SoCal 12-28-2013 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cams-DK (Post 525366)
Lincoln town car with OE and air and don't forget the stereo and let's go racing

I guess, if Crusher can't get in, lol :cheers:

GregWeld 12-29-2013 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 525262)
I heard the Mule is available :lol:




I'm just going to borrow your daily driver.... you are still using that '73 Vega GT right???

mfain 12-29-2013 10:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cams-DK (Post 525366)
Lincoln town car with OE and air and don't forget the stereo and let's go racing

Don't scoff too hard. The car is already under construction in Texas. Pro-touring suicide door Continental with a 4-link, LS motor, and 200 feet of Tig Weld in the custom fabricated frame. I'll post some construction shots in Project Updates.

Pappy

Attachment 44275

Stielow 01-01-2014 08:38 PM

I think the new rules are good.

I'm curious if they will enforce this rule?

2014 Ultimate Street Car Association (USCA) basic event rules
"16. Only the owner of the vehicle, immediate family member, or documented employee of
the builder-of-record may drive the entered vehicle in any USCA event or event
segments. The builder-of-record is defined as the person or shop that is responsible for
at least 75% of the total build. Build shop invoices & build pictures will serve as
acceptable documentation."
Not sure how they will enforce it.....

My other question is are these the same rules for OUSCI?

This should be fun. Looking forward to 2014 to get my new car out and hit a few of these. I think I'll be the owner / builder / driver.

Mark

ccracin 01-02-2014 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 526214)
I think the new rules are good.

I'm curious if they will enforce this rule?

2014 Ultimate Street Car Association (USCA) basic event rules
"16. Only the owner of the vehicle, immediate family member, or documented employee of
the builder-of-record may drive the entered vehicle in any USCA event or event
segments. The builder-of-record is defined as the person or shop that is responsible for
at least 75% of the total build. Build shop invoices & build pictures will serve as
acceptable documentation."
Not sure how they will enforce it.....

My other question is are these the same rules for OUSCI?

This should be fun. Looking forward to 2014 to get my new car out and hit a few of these. I think I'll be the owner / builder / driver.

Mark

I agree with you Mark. I was a little disappointed with that particular rule. I understand the intent, but if I had a friend that would let or wanted me to take their vehicle to an event I couldn't. It was a possibility last year. A friend registered his car and almost couldn't go because of work but wanted the vehicle to run. Just one scenario to ponder. I give Jimi and the others alot of credit though, this was no enviable task putting these rules together. Guess I better get ours done so we can come play too! :whenitsdone:

dontlifttoshift 01-02-2014 08:21 AM

I don't know how they will enforce it, but I am pretty sure it is there to keep someone from hiring Pobst to shoe their Lincoln Town Car.

Ns RS 01-02-2014 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 526214)
I think the new rules are good.

I'm curious if they will enforce this rule?

2014 Ultimate Street Car Association (USCA) basic event rules
"16. Only the owner of the vehicle, immediate family member, or documented employee of
the builder-of-record may drive the entered vehicle in any USCA event or event
segments. The builder-of-record is defined as the person or shop that is responsible for
at least 75% of the total build. Build shop invoices & build pictures will serve as
acceptable documentation."
Not sure how they will enforce it.....

My other question is are these the same rules for OUSCI?

This should be fun. Looking forward to 2014 to get my new car out and hit a few of these. I think I'll be the owner / builder / driver.

Mark


Just tell em you're Charley's stepson... :drive:

Panteracer 01-02-2014 02:42 PM

Ultimate Street Car
 
Town cars.. there was a small group
at one of the last Summer autocrosses in
Pleasanton that all had Town cars running- pretty cool

Rules for Laguna
Has anyone heard if there is a sound limit at
the first event... 105 day I can make it in the Pantera
not sure if my Firebird will pass and I know many
that ran in Vegas were really loud.. just wondering
if I need to tweak the exhaust

Starting to lighten the Firebird:superhack:

Panteracer.. Norcal Bob

GregWeld 01-02-2014 03:11 PM

We -- NorCal Shelby Club -- were told that NO 105 days would be given to any "club" events. I would take that to mean that unless you're a big time sanctioned race event -- that you're not going to see 105 dbs.


But that really is for the event to answer.

Flash68 01-02-2014 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panteracer (Post 526345)
Town cars.. there was a small group
at one of the last Summer autocrosses in
Pleasanton that all had Town cars running- pretty cool

Rules for Laguna
Has anyone heard if there is a sound limit at
the first event... 105 day I can make it in the Pantera
not sure if my Firebird will pass and I know many
that ran in Vegas were really loud.. just wondering
if I need to tweak the exhaust

Starting to lighten the Firebird:superhack:

Panteracer.. Norcal Bob

Bob, that's the $5 question for Laguna..... here is some chatter about it from Optima Jim:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/auto...guna-seca.html

clill 01-02-2014 05:59 PM

I think the new limit is 90db. I don't think I own a car that can make 90db.

So Cal Camaro 01-02-2014 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clill (Post 526380)
I think the new limit is 90db. I don't think I own a car that can make 90db.

I don't think my current Flowmasters will make the cut at 90db...hmmm....will have to see what else might work...

Sieg 01-02-2014 06:49 PM

Left exiting exhaust is a guy's only chance. :(

James OLC 01-02-2014 09:44 PM

My INTAKE won't pass 90... forget my exhaust.


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