What is going on at PT.Com?
 

Not saying this of everyone over at PT.com, but I find that some of the members over there are a little harsh on anyone that they do not feel is building a pro-touring car to THEIR idea of what they like or what they think works. Case in point, Datsbad posted up some unbelievable photos of a subframe that he is doing...this thing is flawless. And a few people hop all over his work saying it is not pro-tour, or what are you thinking smoothing the frame with Bondo(space age plastic filler) why didn't you do a G-mod...that kind of stuff. I don't even need to go into TwinSting's thread. I can get this kind of stuff at work, I do not need it in a hobby that I love.

With all of that said, I find this site to be a breath of fresh air as everyone here is supportive of each others hard work, creativity and vision of the way they want their car. I know that we should all have tougher skin, but when you are putting your heart and sole into a project, not to mention the cubic bucks and time commitment, you don't want to hear some goof ball tell you that you are a dumb ass.

With that being said...Great site Scott, thank you for letting me a part of this community.

Payton

It is something that happens to all forums. Opinions are like….. well you get the idea. Honestly, if you make remarks try to write them up as if you were standing in the same garage with that person. Use some tact and humbly ask questions. Honestly I know that if the frame was welded right, there shouldn’t be that much mud on the frame. Weld, grind, weld some more and grind some more – eventually you will have a masterpiece that, when it is painted, will be beautiful. I think he did a fantastic job. Enough said.

Oh and don’t get me started on the tubular control arm / G-mod issue. Most people tend to spout what the salesman said rather than rely on actual data – which by the way no one will post up.

Thanks Payton, I appreciate the kind words and support.

There are still good people over there, but with growth you'll get these kinds of people and attitudes. Unfortunate occurence, but Scott and I have discussed it before and we'll deal with it the best we can over here.

You are correct in that we have a great group over here now.
Seems to get better daily.

Jody

Payton the bigger a forum gets the more opnions you get its just how it is.With that said try a motocross forum, PT is peace and love compared to those forums. :D

I think as usual, it's not black or white but shades of grey...
I think posters need to be more careful about how they word their posts (great point harshman about imagining you're standing in the same room with the person).
However, maybe some thicker skin is necessary as well...

I gotta agree with the general concensus, with the bigger forums, there is bound to be differing of opinion. It is a matter of general respect among members. Pro-touring.com is really a great site for the most part, just have to take comments with a grain of salt.
While some people are hardcore textbook pro-tourers, I think alot of people are just building a kick-ass car for themselves, and maybe for their budgets. What Harshman said about being in their garage I thought got it just right, just think if you were there seeing the pride DatsBad had in his work, none of us would insult him like that. To each his own, that is how hotrodding began, and that is how pro-touring began. The desire to take it a step further, or be different from everyone else. I had to read Mills: On Liberty last week, and as he puts it, with out individualism, the growth of society and the world would be non-existance...same with the development of the car hobby.
I for one hope to see more progress pics, maybe we can invite him over here to post them here...we can all be nice!

Okay enough talk from me
Tim

I'm with you Payton!! I have obstained from posting over there in fear of being plastered.... I once posted a request to get ideas for naming my project - it turned into a 5 page bitch and moan session of why anybody would ever want to "name" their car.... :willy: :beathorse

Payton, I believe it has a lot to do with the age and maturity of the members. Growth comes from new members, and of those members, ages and backgrounds, as well as common sense vary. Growth is good for these boards, but as they grow, moderation HAS to follow.

There is no doubt in my mind that Scott and the crew will keep the quality of content here on the up-and-up.

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well said by everyone who posted.
I have noticed that everyone has been edgy lately at PT. Seems like it comes and goes in spurts.
That shouldn't be going on at all, but some people don't know when to quit. It's aggravating to see someone knock anothers work. Some people are negative and those tend to be the people who can't hold their tougue. No longer than I have been here I love the atmosphere. Great Site!

Andrew

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Scott and Jody great site, good troops here. I always try and think twice speak once and also the pro -touring dinner was fun with alot of people so it would seem that most people would be concerned about what they say to each other because it would be uncomfortable having dinner with someone you just bashed - but some people have alot of balls behind the keyboard and no class. Unless it's constructive criticism what good is spouting off at someone to get a reaction.

Also " you don't breed donkeys and get race horses."

Keep up the good work guys and do it like you want it.

I just read the thread over there, and believe it or not, that is the same thing I have been planning for mine. Looks awesome!

I guess I know where I'll post my pics!

i am over here now!!!
 

hey guys , mine if i join here ?

907rs , thanks for the invite . i promise i wont cause any problems!! not that i did over there but you guys know whats going on . any way hello and this site look great !!. i did not even know it was here . thanks

Welcome aboard datsbad you will like it here.There is a great group here with tons of knowledge. :thumbsup:

There seem to be a few "know it all" types over there that really rub me the wrong way. And love to knit pick other peoples work.

So I don't think I'll be posting any pics of my current build there. I really don't feel like having to justify anything I've done. :D

Welcome Datsbad!

Well let me be the first to say WELCOME!

I've seen the quality of your work, and I'm sure everyone will appreciate your input here.

Hey guys. My buddy Radrambler invited me here. I look forward to seeing more members and more action. It comes with time and growth, but so does the riff raff members and static.

With that said, I have moderated and administrated at some popular Corvette sites. So, I have experience with interacting, but still have much to learn. I don't treat others like children and don't expect to be treated that way either. Never had a problem at PT, but stuff happens to everybody.

I can tell you that I joined another very popular site to help me learn and grow with my Gen III engine build. I am a total junior when it comes to programming and tuning issues with the LS1 engine. The folks on that board blow me away. I have found that you get a couple of high profile members with typing behavior problems that tend to influence the entire site. The leadership makes all the difference in a community between one that is open and welcoming and one that only seems to cater to the thought process of that specific leadership.

It is much like real life communities. People of like mind tend to congregate to specific communities and you know what to expect when you drive into that neighborhood or association.

i posted the much controversal picture up above . easy on me :hail:

Hey guys. That's just what happens with growth. Jay, if I can call you that, you can still post your updates there if you'd like. Thing is, as you posted it in the suspension forum, there's quite a bit of suspension "tekkies" there that don't want to understand the "look". It's unfortunate that it took that turn, but don't let that be a knock on anyone but the guys that posted it. More of the intelligent types will hold their tongue before bashing.

That said, I'm gonna have my little bit of fun there now. I've been given permission!!! :eek:

I should post some pics of a '71 Chevelle my brother is building. It was wrecked in the front, and the frame was bent some. The previous owner used so much mud on the frame, we didn't even know the frame was bent until we ground it off, LOL! Had to be at least 1/2" think, or more. And there wasn't a single crack in it.

Actually, the whole car is alot worse then we first thought. :(

But it's coming along nicely, :thumbsup: .

On this site that frame is not controversal, it's awesome. good work!!


Jan

69myway
 

Are you talking about www.ls1tech.com ? If you are that is one of my favorite sites. It also made me go from a stock LS1 to a head and cam car on the hose.

Datsbad...I did not know that you were not familiar with this site. Welcome! Your Blue car is beautiful and I hate to see you selling it. What is next?

Ya know what? When I read meanie threads like the one criticising(sp) the work that went into that beautiful sub-frame (Gulstrand or not), Heck It makes me want to keep this site a dog gone secret!! I don't want to deal with mean spirited boys like that here! I went yesterday to see a 17 year old kid I go to church with's 67 Camaro(I noticed he was lookin at the car like it was the first real girlfriend) and listened to what all he wanted to do. He sez he won't even eat rice anymore because he hates Hondas and Mazdas so much LOL.My point is that I probably would not have given that car a second look and this Kid LOVES his car!! his 1967 Camaro!! We have to continue to encourage each other!

Scott, You've done a outstanding job on this site. Hard work in any degree is to be complemented. Having a guy like Charlie with all of those awesome cars complement others is such an encouragement. Knowing guys the caliber of Jody, Mark, Steve(s), Bill, Stuart and some of the Lurkers that are here, and all of the others that have "been there and done that" in such an encouraging format devoted to the construction of our "masterpieces" is so dang cool.

Edited due to the Kid (67) in Question coming to this site!!

Remember who might be watching!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Wow Jim, that is an awesome story, and you are truly an outstanding guy for what you are doing. Being in the position of that 17 year old, only one year ago, believe me you are making that kids year!

DatsBad...nice to see you made it over, got any more pictures of the build?? I saw you didn't want to post them at PT, but I really like to see any other work you have going...amazing job so far!

Tim

Ummgawa
 

Good for you. That is a great story and I know that you will get more out of helping that kid out than any of that stuff is worth. I, like all the rest, remember who influenced me when when I was young getting into this hobby and I am still in contact with 99% of them. He will never forget you or what you did. Your act of kindness will be repaid to you 10 fold in return.

I was trying to think what I had lying around that he might be able to use, but I have traded off most of my stuff. I do have a Grant steering wheel and an old, but good 69 wiring harness and a good repo rear bumper. If he wants any, I will send it your way. Kind of like "Overhaulin'" with the owner participating.

I'm a know it all and you guys suck.......... :D

Suck
 

When Charley sais you suck it's a compliment, thanks Charley........

III SSSUUCCKK TRa LA LA LA LA LAAAA! :D

Thats why I joined lateral-g.net, everyone is great and I always get help when i have a question and dont get knocked for it. :D

John,

I'm sorry that post is going that direction over there. It will not go that direction over here. I haven't seen anything yet that needs to be "moderated" in this thread, but let me know if you disagree. I couldn't find you mentioned by name at all, they're just speaking of some of the attitudes that exist.

Jody

How 'bout that Chris Webber trade to Philadelphia? Is that nuts or what? :D




......sorry. :_paranoid

Trapin,

Hahaha...the awkward defuser... :thumbsup:

Tim

well i came to this site for a common reason. everyone there thinks they invented pro-touring, John included. i mean i thought it was all about cars no matter what? who cares what way they go. Datasbad has a couple of other pro-touring style cars and had pics of a nice show stlye camaro. i have all pro-touring parts on my car just big rims. i also have a 68 firbird thats all the handling i can handle. i guess people don't like change.

There is an open topic post over at PT that I think addresses an issue that is pandemic with PT.com right now, and that is the tremendous growth of the site and cars all falling under the "pro-touring" concept.

I am going to guess I struck a nerve that has been aching in the community for a while.

I surely didn't come here to create drama, I have had more than my fill today.

While no one here has referred to me by name, when you refer to that Ahole or jackass thread, I think its pretty clear who they are referring to. Those comments are what compelled me to post here. Normally I am a lurker.

go build your car then. you like cars your way, he likes his, his way. once again. you didn't invent it nor perfect it, but you have your own version of it as does datsbad. enough said.

I understand John. I think there are all kinds in the Pro Touring world, just like in any other area of hot rodding. I can appreciate a show car look as well as a bare-bones street fighter theme.

As the interest in this style of car grows it's only natural that it will evolve, much as Pro Street did. There will be beautiful show cars on one end and full-on race cars on the other, with everything imaginable in-between. I feel it's the car builders money and he can do what he likes with it. If I don't like a particular style or look I just try to keep it to myself. Hard to do sometimes.

Jody

Not going to mention any sites by name. No worries though.

On Va ALA Plage!!

To be honest, I'm surprised that this thread didn't get out of hand. I was cringing when I started reading it.

Getting to the heart of the matter, the one thing that has always bothered me was if a car has a high level of fit and finish it was written off as no longer "pro-touring". A lot of guys spend a GREAT deal of time and resources getting a killer motor and chassis put together, yet if someone wants to equal that level in the fit and finish of the car, it's somehow not as hardcore. The Mule is the perfect example of this.

One thing is for sure, this arguement is not going away.

Believe it or not I am not the deranged angry subframe hater that I have been painted as today. I managed to put myself in the eye of the PT definition storm with one off-base comment.

SlowNova, please get your facts straight, I didn't invent Pro-Touring, I invented the internet!