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EBmotorsports 05-26-2014 11:19 PM

Frostbite - 1967 Firebird
 
Hi all,

I'm really excited to share a new project I'm working on. It's a 1967 Pontiac Firebird. My client has had this car for the past 15 years, but hasn't gotten around to restoring it. The client initially wanted to do a regular factory restoration with a little bit of an upgrade to the engine. I'm very passionate about pro-touring and I shared some of the recent technology and trends in pro-touring with the client; he absolutely loved the idea and agreed to move away from the factory restoration and go with a pro-touring project.

We spent a about 6 weeks looking at all of the options from engine, suspension, and wheels. There are many different options when building a completely custom car; each with its own benefits and drawbacks. The final goal for the client was to have a street-able car that looked and performed like a brand new car. Turn the key, hot or cold, and the engine starts right up. Plenty of power and good MPG. The suspension had to be tight and nimble allowing the car to handle like a modern sports car.

We've been working with Ben Hermance for the past month coming up with the perfect styling, color, and stance. Here's what we have planned for the 1967 Firebird project:
  • Start with the 1967 as the foundation
  • Use the 1968 quarters to add the Pontiac side markers
  • Use the 1968 windows to remove the vent windows
  • Use the 1969 Trans Am hood for a unique, aggressive look
  • 1970 GM bullet mirrors for a clean, modern look
  • Off-white paint scheme on the exterior.
  • COPO Camaro inspired stripes on the quarter panels and hood
  • The stripes are titanium to match the Forgeline wheels
  • Each stripe has a thin ascent of gold, which matches the brake calipers
  • The interior is off-white, black, and uses gold-stitching
  • The style and color is designed to flow from the interior to the exterior
  • Very clean interior with a mixture of old-school and new-school styling

Enough with the description, let's take a look at the renders that Ben put together for us.

Side View
http://i.imgur.com/ObLEj2v.png

Rear View
http://i.imgur.com/nqntKng.png

Top View
http://i.imgur.com/fGNCxLZ.png

Front 3/4 View
http://i.imgur.com/MG87DUC.png

Interior View
http://i.imgur.com/bkTOpdl.png

Composition 1
http://i.imgur.com/QpIkgeD.png

Composition 2
http://i.imgur.com/n1u7gxn.png

We've been thinking really hard what kind of components we want to use in the car. So far here is what we have planned:
  • GMPP LSX454 EFI engine
  • Billet Specialities LS Tru-Trac front assembly
  • Tremec T-56 Magnum 6sp transmission
  • Art Morrison Max-G full frame chassis with upgraded C06 front suspension and 4-link rear suspension
  • Forgeline ZX3R wheels
  • Michelin Super Sports 275/35R18 and 325/30R19
  • AutoRad Radiator with aluminum core support and power steering cooler
  • Digital tail lights
  • Billet hood and trunk hinges
  • Sparco R700 front seats
  • Ring Brothers billet door handles
  • DSE remote windshield wiper
  • New Vintage gauges
  • Sparco 383 steering wheel
  • Clayton Machine Works pedals
  • Rick's Tank + ZL1 fuel system

I'm really excited about this project. Be sure to subscribe to this thread for future updates. I have a bunch of pictures as I begin to work on this car and transform into a modern pro-touring machine.

LS7 Z/28 05-26-2014 11:30 PM

Looks like a great project, I'm sure your customer will be very happy with the final result. The Autorad setup is a smart choice, really high quality part.

glassman 05-26-2014 11:30 PM

those are some of the greatest renderings i've seen on what can be one of the baddest pro-touring cars out there. Please make this a reality, soon. :thumbsup:

Vince@Meanstreets 05-26-2014 11:44 PM

very classy.

Musclerodz 05-26-2014 11:46 PM

Looks like an awesome project. Not a lot of Firebirds have been dome up right.

GregWeld 05-26-2014 11:47 PM

Wow --- really nice renderings -- but then Ben always does really nice renderings.


Is it done yet?? LOL

Build-It-Break-it 05-27-2014 03:22 AM

I've never been a fan of white cars but this one just changed my mind. I'm really digging it. Nice work.

EBmotorsports 05-27-2014 05:16 AM

Thanks for all the great feedback. Ben Hermance is as good as it gets with renderings. What I like is that he is not just a guy who can draw a pretty picture but he knows what is reality in getting this stuff done, and is a great help along the process of the build as well. I'll post more pics soon, we are farther along than you might think....

cpd004 05-27-2014 07:23 AM

I agree...very classy looking!

Hdesign 05-27-2014 09:24 AM

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to help Doug and Eugene! I can't wait to see it finished up...please keep posting progress pix.

EBmotorsports 05-27-2014 10:49 AM

Very humble beginning. The car looks fairly solid, but you never know until you tear it down and blast it.

http://i.imgur.com/I3sdp0dh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SzqUR6uh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yuEuBsLh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zXR7nkVh.jpg

66fury 05-27-2014 10:57 AM

Renderings are sweet. Love the stripes

heyhiitsmevlad 05-27-2014 12:27 PM

Oh man, that's a super nice car to start with. Love the rendering, I've seen a 68 with the 69 ta hood and it was white too. It'll be a good looking combo.

captainofiron 05-27-2014 12:51 PM

pretty cool.

wish my car looked that solid, I have ready made fred flinstone holes in my floor, haha

EBmotorsports 05-27-2014 09:49 PM

Starting to tear it down and get down to the metal. Overall not too bad, although there are some rust spots here and there. We'll probably end up getting new quarters and possibly fenders. On a lighter note, it looks like a mouse left a present for me.

http://i.imgur.com/HZMwoPJh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rdAUoiMh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rvGtWlmh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pQtWvUYh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JGsVPlHh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xt9gBxGh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YjQmaXkh.jpg

EBmotorsports 05-27-2014 10:09 PM

We got some new composition renders from Ben today and wanted to share.

Composition 1
http://i.imgur.com/QpIkgeD.png

Composition 2
http://i.imgur.com/n1u7gxn.png

Tuske427 05-28-2014 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EBmotorsports (Post 552680)
Hi all,

I'm really excited to share a new project I'm working on. It's a 1967 Pontiac Firebird. My client has had this car for the past 15 years, but hasn't gotten around to restoring it. The client initially wanted to do a regular factory restoration with a little bit of an upgrade to the engine. I'm very passionate about pro-touring and I shared some of the recent technology and trends in pro-touring with the client; he absolutely loved the idea and agreed to move away from the factory restoration and go with a pro-touring project.

We spent a about 6 weeks looking at all of the options from engine, suspension, and wheels. There are many different options when building a completely custom car; each with its own benefits and drawbacks. The final goal for the client was to have a street-able car that looked and performed like a brand new car. Turn the key, hot or cold, and the engine starts right up. Plenty of power and good MPG. The suspension had to be tight and nimble allowing the car to handle like a modern sports car.

We've been working with Ben Hermance for the past month coming up with the perfect styling, color, and stance. Here's what we have planned for the 1967 Firebird project:
  • Start with the 1967 as the foundation
  • Use the 1968 quarters to add the Pontiac side markers
  • Use the 1968 windows to remove the vent windows
  • Use the 1969 Trans Am hood for a unique, aggressive look
  • 1970 GM bullet mirrors for a clean, modern look
  • Off-white paint scheme on the exterior.
  • COPO Camaro inspired stripes on the quarter panels and hood
  • The stripes are titanium to match the Forgeline wheels
  • Each stripe has a thin ascent of gold, which matches the brake calipers
  • The interior is off-white, black, and uses gold-stitching
  • The style and color is designed to flow from the interior to the exterior
  • Very clean interior with a mixture of old-school and new-school styling

Enough with the description, let's take a look at the renders that Ben put together for us.

Side View
http://i.imgur.com/ObLEj2v.png

Rear View
http://i.imgur.com/nqntKng.png

Top View
http://i.imgur.com/fGNCxLZ.png

Front 3/4 View
http://i.imgur.com/MG87DUC.png

Interior View
http://i.imgur.com/bkTOpdl.png

Composition 1
http://i.imgur.com/QpIkgeD.png

Composition 2
http://i.imgur.com/n1u7gxn.png

We've been thinking really hard what kind of components we want to use in the car. So far here is what we have planned:
  • GMPP LSX454 EFI engine
  • Billet Specialities LS Tru-Trac front assembly
  • Tremec T-56 Magnum 6sp transmission
  • Art Morrison Max-G full frame chassis with upgraded C06 front suspension and 4-link rear suspension
  • Forgeline ZX3R wheels
  • Michelin Super Sports 275/35R18 and 325/30R19
  • AutoRad Radiator with aluminum core support and power steering cooler
  • Digital tail lights
  • Billet hood and trunk hinges
  • Sparco R700 front seats
  • Ring Brothers billet door handles
  • DSE remote windshield wiper
  • New Vintage gauges
  • Sparco 383 steering wheel
  • Clayton Machine Works pedals
  • Rick's Tank + ZL1 fuel system

I'm really excited about this project. Be sure to subscribe to this thread for future updates. I have a bunch of pictures as I begin to work on this car and transform into a modern pro-touring machine.

Eugene- you must be an incredible salesperson. You talked a client out of a stock restoration for all that. Very impressive. And agreed, this car is going to look great.

EBmotorsports 05-28-2014 05:08 AM

In all honesty I think all of that is what he wanted to start with, he just didn't know it. He's a great guy and is very open to suggestions that will improve his enjoyment of this car. His family has a stock resto 68 firebird convert and they just didn't like the handling and the lack of good highway cruising. You know how these things snowball, it all started by looking at some Mild suspension upgrades and the next thing I knew we ordered a chassis, go figure...

YoungProTourer 05-28-2014 06:34 AM

Looks like its going to be a cool build! Cant wait to see the progress as the build moves along :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

rickpaw 05-28-2014 07:16 AM

It's going to be a cool build. Love the renderings.

Subscribed.

WSSix 05-28-2014 07:42 AM

Fantastic rednderings. Good luck with the build, Eugene!

EBmotorsports 05-28-2014 07:27 PM

Have some new updates. Looks like we're going to try using a used GMPP LS7. Picked it up for a great deal. Engine only has 3K miles on it.

http://i.imgur.com/fRaDjgYh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QzXiegAh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iv2Bppjh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ugJv7jmh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T8HUPbVh.jpg

EBmotorsports 05-29-2014 09:27 PM

Well today wasn't very good news. Was performing a compression check on the LS7 and noticed a particular cylinder was very low. Checked it again just to make sure it wasn't a bad seal or equipment, and built up enough pressure to pop out the little plastic plugs.

Water shot everywhere. Engine was completely flooded. This was very, very disappointing because we ran a CarFax report on the car the engine was pulled from and the car was totaled, but was no where near water. The seller swears up and down he didn't know the engine was flooded. Right now my client wants to return the used LS7 and just go with a new LSX 454 instead. Now we need to work with eBay and the seller to get a refund.

http://i.imgur.com/gx5C2nlh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QuebJFth.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Pa4h7sph.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Qt5N3qZh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/n95qBowh.jpg

89 RS 05-29-2014 10:41 PM

Cool build, those renderings are awesome.

Vince@Meanstreets 05-30-2014 12:07 AM

I was going to say this build deserves a new engine but I did'nt want to come off as a Richard Head.

76orangewagon 05-30-2014 01:14 AM

Man that really sucks....

rickpaw 05-30-2014 05:58 AM

That sucks regarding the LS7. Hope you work it out with the seller/ebay.

n77nxc 05-30-2014 07:29 AM

Amazing what people will swear up and down about when it comes down to money.

LSX 454 will be a nice motor for this project! :thumbsup:

Ron in SoCal 05-30-2014 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 76orangewagon (Post 553279)
Man that really sucks....

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickpaw (Post 553286)
That sucks regarding the LS7. Hope you work it out with the seller/ebay.

Quote:

Originally Posted by n77nxc (Post 553291)
Amazing what people will swear up and down about when it comes down to money.

LSX 454 will be a nice motor for this project! :thumbsup:

It does suck, but smoking deals on used LS7s from eBay (or the forums) are huge red flags. You know, if a deal sounds too good to be tue...

I as well paid good $$$ for a motor that required a complete rebuild (which I was going to do anyway). eBay deal-io.

I hope you guys work it out.

geberhard 05-30-2014 02:35 PM

Eugene, beautiful car and project, looking forward to see the build coming together. Are you guys going to use the Dynacorn 69 TA hood? I saw a few in person and the fitment was great, the only issues were the plastic scoop inserts.

Good luck on the build and subscribed.

Forgeline Wheel 05-30-2014 03:19 PM

Subscribed.

EBmotorsports 05-30-2014 04:03 PM

Was really disappointed to see the damage done to the LS7. We had a lot of confidence because we bought it from a board member of the Corvette association. Thankfully the seller agreed to return the engine and a full refund.

On a better note, it feels like Christmas around here. Lots of new parts showing up at the shop.

http://i.imgur.com/m2Fw8tMh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NCOIjWth.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eZhDBqgh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kywlOo0h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/METxcEbh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kPsxug6h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9PevMcvh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/f1zZfgth.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rtMkDyMh.jpg

EBmotorsports 05-30-2014 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geberhard (Post 553390)
Eugene, beautiful car and project, looking forward to see the build coming together. Are you guys going to use the Dynacorn 69 TA hood? I saw a few in person and the fitment was great, the only issues were the plastic scoop inserts.

Good luck on the build and subscribed.

We got a goodmark hood, I've had good luck with their stuff so far, we will see on this one. I plan on making custom inserts but molding them to the hood for a seamless look per the rendering

EBmotorsports 06-02-2014 11:29 AM

We're blasting the car today. I'll post some more pictures later today. Fingers are crossed that there's no big surprises.

streetbird 06-02-2014 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EBmotorsports (Post 553869)
We're blasting the car today. I'll post some more pictures later today. Fingers are crossed that there's no big surprises.

cant wait to see it blasted, oh sweet bare metal

Chicken Louie 06-02-2014 10:53 PM

Love the renderings! Can't wait to see this one.

heyhiitsmevlad 06-02-2014 11:58 PM

That things gonna move with the lsx...

EBmotorsports 06-04-2014 12:55 AM

Hey all. I got some more updates today. The blasting went very well. However after talking to the customer we're going to end up putting new steel on the fenders, quarters, and roof.

Funny story is that I found a brand new fuel door that was stuck behind the quarter panel, right behind the B pillar. Must have been dropped in there when being assembled in the GM factory back in 1967. Poor owners probably had a rattle they could never locate, and the loose fuel door behind the quarter was the culprit.

http://i.imgur.com/9kq3MPvh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EcVpFgyh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TZZAF4qh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7kx8wKeh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eods9p9h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lABOtRMh.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/EpzxNneh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/K9zMqMKh.jpg

ADiCarlo 06-04-2014 01:12 AM

:superhack:

Damn.. Well do it once an do it right.

EBmotorsports 06-06-2014 11:56 PM

Too bad about the LS7. I had actually already done a lot of work to place the dry sump tank behind the fender. On a good note, I had some fun playing with my roller.

http://i.imgur.com/BvlkC6kh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/p3JWUA1h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/38QnAlPh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BD08NQLh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YiOpxG5h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/E4tNhjAh.jpg


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