C6 Weld-On Flange Ends
 

This style is NO LONGER stocked and is available by special order only. All previous pricing listed below is void.... Click this link www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=52443 to be taken to the current offering!


Hello!

I have recently designed a component for my personal use/car, and wanted to see if there is any interest from others for this product. At this point, and mainly due to time involved to perfect and small runs, I am basically selling at what it costs to make in hopes of getting some feed back/exposure.
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This design enables you to take full advantage of C5/6/7 Corvette technology on your existing or new rear housing. This kit will install onto nearly ALL rear-end housings! Some of the benefits of this system are:

• Full Floater type benefits - (eliminate Piston knock-back & Torsional axle load)
• Utilizes ALL OEM & Aftermarket brake kits made for C5/6 Corvettes
• Utilizes the OEM C5/6 Corvette E-Brake assembly
• Utilizes the OEM C6/7 Corvette Bearing/Hub Assembly
• Utilizes the OEM C5/6 Corvette Fasteners
• ABS compatible
• Optional "self installation" through the use of available/for loan fixturing (see below)

"The Basic Kit" I am offering is made up of (6) pieces total of which I have listed below. It will allow you to run the ever so popular, “over the counter” C6/7 Corvette Hubs, C5/6 E-Brake, Calipers & Rotors (including ALL aftermarket brake kits designed for C5/6). The cool thing is you can purchase these “over the counter” parts as you can afford as kind of a self-finance plan OR you can buy everything from me in what I call my "Complete Kit".

"The Basic Kit" - $900.00 Plus Shipping/PayPal

(2) Billet Steel weld on flanges
(2) Billet aluminum hub spacers
(2) Axle seals


Below Pic is "The Basic Kit"....
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"The Complete Kit" I am offering will come with all of the "Basic Kit" items listed above, but will also include items listed below in Green.

(2) C7 SKF 33 spline Hub/Bearing Packs (robust like the 2013 ZR1 hub)
(2) Complete Parking/Emergency Brake Assemblies.
(2) Parking/Emergency Brake Cable Brackets
(6) Hub to Upright Bolts
(4) Parking/Emergency Brake Cable Bracket Bolts
(4) Caliper Mounting Bolts
(4) Caliper Mounting Bolt Washers
(2) Axle Nuts


"The Complete Kit" - $1650.00 Plus Shipping/PayPal

Below pic is "The Complete Kit"....

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Axles are the ONLY aftermarket part needed to run and can be purchased through me @Strange Engineering for $825 a pair for the Gun-drilled & at $575 a pair for the NON Gun-drilled. (yes, not cheap but both variants are machined from their Hy-Tuf material…) The hub side spline count will be 33 to accommodate the C6/7 Hub , and the carrier end can be 30/31/33/35.

*The (2) weld on Steel Flange Ends included in the kit will need to be fixture welded to your housings axle tubes. I can do this for you (for a fee), OR I can loan (with $450 fully refundable deposit), the correct alignment/fixturing bushings (to include 3rd Member pucks & C6 Flange alignment blocks) and you will only need to use your 3rd member case & purchase a 1-1/2” diameter by 60” long alignment bar through Mittler Brothers unless maybe you know of a local source that already has a 1-1/2" alignment bar,,,,,, but it needs to be straight! The bar through Mittler Brothers is $130 plus shipping. http://www.mittlerbros.com/turned-gr...dia-shaft.html (or as I have been informed, SUMMIT RACING has these bars by Mittler Brothers that they ship for FREE!)

Here are a few pics of the fixture pieces I will loan you. (These are also for sale if you wish to purchase at $425.00 which includes shipping/PayPal)


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Machined flat spot to help assist with "Caliper Clocking" when weling on the Flange End


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Please feel free to ask questions and I will do the best I can in answering.


Pic with C7 Hub (Hub NOT included in "Basic Kit")
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Pic with C7 Hub (Hub NOT included in "Basic Kit")
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Pic with C7 Hub & C6 ZO6 Caliper (Hub not included in "Basic Kit" & Caliper NOT included in either "Basic or Complete")
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Pic with C7 Hub & C6 ZO6 Caliper (Hub not included in "Basic Kit" & Caliper NOT included in either "Basic or Complete")
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Please note alignment dowels. A feature to eliminate any chance of shifting between weld on flange and spacer under extreme situations. Overkill? Maybe :)
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Not a huge deal, but want it known that this setup will utilize OEM Hub fasteners.
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Again, just a pic to show the OEM caliper bolts...
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More random pics of set-up...

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Please do not hesitate to ask questions. Thanks for considering!

So 800$ plus rental....and this will take my 12 bolt to a full floater with ZR1 brakes

Jay - love it! Shocker I know. :lol:

The built in caiiper mount is a home run compared to prior designs and I'm sure will improve braking performance. If I may suggest, package a complete solution and you've got a winner.

Ryan I've not seen the whole package but I'm guessing you'd need axles, inner and / or outer seals and some mechanism to locate the axle (plate or nuts and bolts - simple).

$800 plus shipping/PayPal (guessing $45ish)... I will loan you the inner 3.062" pucks for your 12 bolt rear AND the outer fixturing pucks for the C6 ends for FREE. You will only be required to leave a $450 refundable deposit of which will be returned via PayPal once returned and in good condition. You will also be responsible for the shipping to/from on these loaned fixturing pieces. Yes, your ZR1 brakes will be a direct bolt on at that point.

Thanks for the interest!

It's about time Jay.

These will take the parking brake assemblies too.

How much would you sell the end alignment slugs for? I have the Mitler set up already. Do they bolt to the 3 hole flange or are they the standard slug/puck design?

Thanks Ron! You have always supported and even eased the moments sometimes with your positive attitude/comments when I most definitely deserved a good :buttkick:

I love your suggestion (complete package) and am working on that too. I have a ton of ideas and will be sharing those soon too.

Hi Vince,

Yes, they do take the C5/6 parking brake assemblies. Actually if you choose not to run the e-brake/backing plate for whatever the reason, you would need to run a shim to account for the thickness of the backing plate to get proper caliper/rotor alignment. But I am assuming anyone interested in this setup would utilize the e-brake. Good question though.

The "C6 End" fixture pieces do bolt to the three holes in the weld on flange end and positively locate it . Give me a few days on pricing for you on these as I only had one set made, and depending on interest may run multiples which brings my price down with my machinist and ultimately to the end purchaser. Hopefully you!

I will let you know soon...

I will be all over this when late summer/ early fall arrives. Exactly what I've been looking for.
Jay, what material will you be cutting the production bracketry from?
Also, are the axles an "in stock" item at Strange, or will they be built per order, with a wait time?

Scott,

Steel Flanges are and will remain 1018, and the Aluminum Spacers from 6061. To not confuse anyone I would like to say I am just a guy in a garage with ideas/resources to make my ideas come to life. So I kinda laugh when I here the word production cuz that sounds Big :) . I am sharing this part (and others soon) for three reasons. One - to help offset the cost of my own set. Two - hopefully offer others with same interest another option. Three - possibly strike enough interest to actually make some :G-Dub:

The axles are made per order and are not in stock.

Thanks, Jay

Very nice Jay, glad to see you still have the crestive juices flowing!! :grouphug:

I sure hope these are still around when I get to the point of needing them!

Thanks Rick!

There is no time like the present! Pay the mortgage with what's left!

Do you have pictures of everything installed on the rear end? I like the set up. If I didn't have me rear end already done this might of been the route I took.

Her is one in the alignment fixture....


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Who's lateral dynamics rear housing? Yours?

This was a customers. I have/will be running a Strange Housing. Really like them.

Very nice pieces! I was planning to do this myself recently, though I would have to do my own machining. This is a nice option.

Wish this was around before I bought my wilwood rear breaks. Love your bringing good ideas to life.

I am guessing axle will have a threaded portion on the end such to affix a nut? Wont this 'pull' on the 'C' clips and cause unwanted wear? 9" applications wont have this issue what will prevent the axle from sliding out on a 9"

Just not picturing the axle setup at the moment.

You don't use the c clips anymore, the hub would hold the axle in place then.

Thanks for the compliment.

Thank you, Ive got a few more ideas Ill be sharing too!

Great questions and looks like Donny (below) answered. Thanks for looking.

Thanks for helping out with questions.

^ Jay the axles need to be located so they don't float in and out of the 3rd member. Stielow's design uses an oem style nut on the axle ends. On my ford 9", there's a plate screwed into the outside hub center with a bolt running into the axle to keep it in position.

Strange is making your axles, correct? If so I'm sure they have a provision for this.

Jay,

I think I got the answers I needed - I assume the axles (Strange) have a shoulder that goes against the inside of the bearing and probably a nut (ala Corvette) that goes outside the bearing splines. That means you must remove the hub to pull the axle? And I assume the seal presses inside your axle end flange. I plan on adding the bearings to a Pontiac housing to go under a 62 Corvette (offset 3-link) for a little autocross fun. Do you have a kit built up and ready to sell? Also, looks like your alignment tool is set up for a 1.5 inch bar - do you happen to have one for a 2 inch bar?

Pappy

You are correct Ron. My set-up utilizes the OEM lock as well.

Pappy, you are correct. The hub will butt against a shoulder/washer on the axle, the outer threads on the axle will accept the OEM axle nut to anchor the hub to the axle, and the hubs 3 bolt flange will bolt to the weld on C6 Flange End/Spacer to positively locate the axle. Yes the hub must be removed to pull the axle, and yes the seal presses into the Weld on C6 Flange.
Yes the fixture pieces I offer are setup for 1.5" alignment bars.
I do have kits available to ship.
I will have COMPLETE kits ready by this Wednesday. The "complete kits" will include (2) SKF 33 spline (additional ball bearing/thicker flange - ZR1 style) Bearing Packs, Complete E-brake setup, OEM Fasteners necessary to mount install hub, e-brake bracket, OEM Caliper, and OEM axle nuts. Pics and pricing will be posted soon.

Thanks, Jay

Jay, just wondering if you have a price for the kits.

Hey Jay
Just wondering also the price as well as can I purchase a "complete" kit without the calipers. Reason being I'm running ZR1 carbon ceramic brakes and already have the calipers

Hey guys, thank you for the interest and I will have pictures posted with prices tomorrow.
Thanks! Jay

The "complete" kits I will have pictured tomorrow and that I will be offering WILL NOT include any rotors or calipers.

With that said I do believe the actual parking brake backing plate for the ZR1 brakes are different than ALL others for some reason. I recall seeing different part# for the ZR1.... I may need to put a slightly different kit together for you. I will look into this tomorrow and see what I come up with.
Thanks!

This is an outstanding idea ... I'm glad you are sharing with the folks your ideas, may need to do that conversion on my 12 bolt.

I will watch the progress fer sure, thanks again for sharing!

Thank you Chief!

Fixture Pieces
 

Here are a few shots of the Fixture Pieces. These are the pieces I am loaning out, I will be requiring a deposit that will be fully refundable upon safe return. You will also be responsible for the shipping to/from.

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I designed the fixture block with a convenient flat spot to allow your Smart Tool or similar in clocking the weld-on C6 Flange so that you can get your Caliper orientation/degree just right!

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This is another nice little detail to help during installation of your weld-on C6 Flanges. The fixture blocks have been machined in thickness to mimic your wheel mount surface once all your finish components are installed. This way you can pull a tape from outside of fixture block to outside of fixture block and verify your exact WMS to WMS before welding!


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For you professional shops that may be wanting to make this rear setup a regular part of your builds, I am also selling these same pieces as pictured below... includes inner 3.062 pucks, outer C6 blocks, hardware $425.00 shipped

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Here is a picture of a "Complete Kit". Please forgive me but I still do not have the pricing prepared. Hope to have this posted tomorrow. Figured I would go ahead and post the pics to at least give the viewers something :underchair:



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Below are some "Complete Kit" assembled pictures. The only thing NOT in the picture, that IS included are the Caliper Bolts/Washers, and Axle Nuts, since they really had no purpose installed at this stage during pics (plus I forgot to set them out) :D

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now lets see some universal axles for it. :thumbsup:

I got your PM, trying to rally for it.

Universal as in, Extra length on the carrier side splines so that you can stock multiple sets and cut to length yourself as needed? :poke:

:D

Average length is 26 3/4" to 31" so a 5" spline run in a 31" axle should be good. :thumbsup:

Absolutely beautiful!

I picked mine up yesterday. The quality is as good as it looks in the photos! Thanks Jay.

Pappy

Great job Jay :thumbsup: