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STEVEN

I KNOW YOU WILL READ THIS...
FO THOSE OF US WHO ARE READERS...
RIGHT NOW ID SAY YOU HAVE THE BEST MAGAZINE GOING....FOR THOSE OF US WHO LOVE 60S-80S RIDES YOU GUYS DO A HELLUVA JOB....IT REALLY BEATS THE "OTHERS"
I JUST RECIEVED MY AUGUST ISSUE.....LOVE IT
NICE MIX OF EVERYTHING......HOMETOWN HOT RODDING IS OUTSTANDING....
:lateral: IS IN THERE.... NICE.....AND ITS NOT JUST 2 OR 3 CARS..WITH ONE SENTENCE BLURBS......
GUYS YOU NEED TO GET YOUR PROJECT PICS AND FINISHED RIDES TO STEVEN........HE MAY LIKE THEM ENOUGH TO USE THEM.....
RIGHT STEVEN?.... :yes:
HEY I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS TO POPULAR HOTRODDING FOR THE GREAT MAGAZINE......


RADRAMBLER

You got that right I just hope...That when i finish my project i can get a feature..........Anyone listening???? LOL

-Paul

I like the magazine also. I'm wondering if sales have increased over the last 2-3 years, any one have data on that?

I gave up my superchevy issues and will be adding PHR. Great magazine.

I just subscribed to it 2 months ago. I always bought it before at the local book store. I love it. Its cool that There are so many recognizable rides in it. (Thanks Steve) Some issues are kind of like a lateral-g.net magazine. Its really cool to see cars in it and acually already know stuff about the car and owner because you have read and replied to threads about it. Gives me kind of like a happy for my friends feeling.

Thanks for dropping my name in Hometown Hot Rodding, Steve! Tell your art director I asked WTF happened to my logo on both customer's cars in there? :_paranoid
I'll be sure to send my customers with worthy projects your way and the guys are right, the mag has been on top of the stack for awhile now and 60s - 70s cars and this movement in general are only getting hotter!

Yea, in Hometown most logos are removed.. sorry..

Glad you guys like the book.. PHR is a "work in progress" and we will tweaking the content and stories as time moves along. They are real big into "readers surveys" so if you get sent one be sure to take the time to fill it out.

It's hard because the standards at PHR are so much higher for the photography.. Stuff I shoot that would be top-shelf at Super Chevy just squeeks by here. But I learn a ton from Johnny.. Trying to nail a two page opening spread is nerve racking. lol

Anyways, thanks for the compliments on the book.. I will pass it along. Oh, and congrats to those in Hometown, you all deserve to be there :thumbsup:

Yeah I have to agree PHR is my favorite mag.

On another note I see another member has a screenname really close to mine. 71Nova. Does that make us some kindof internet forum brothers :lol:

Yup. I think something like that. Practicaly the same car. Well, at the begining. I got your back.

Yes, I just received my new issue of PHR and it is outstanding. It has really become my favorite one. It seems to have a better mix of Chevy vs. the world. The new perfect bound issue puts it at a whole new level and there is a lot of good color in there. Congrats to Steve and all of the Hometown coverage. Very cool and very real world. :thumbsup:

Hello Steve+ other PHR stuff members!

Believe it or not but i was subscriber at the 80s!!! I quit around 90s when car craft took "hi tech" role and PHR was more like "driveaway bolt low buck" mag .

But nowdays PHR is absolutely best magazine for EFi/pro touring / suspension junkies. Keep on the good work!!! And plese try to send the mags on time :thumbsup:

:thumbsup: to PHR.

The reason why they have a great magazine is simple.
They love cars and they work their asses off.
After following Johnny Hunkins
around for a day at a track event followed by a 6 hour photo shoot.
I can tell you that I have ran across very few people in my life that work so hard to get things right. :bow:
Scott

Lol, cool. Anyway I can see some pictures of your car?

Yes, ditto to all that. Steve, thanks for the killer feature in Hometown and for helping me give credit where it is due. Now my builders, Chris and Rick, are pumped on PHR and even more pumped on my ride (a much needed injection of enthusiasm at the final stages of a long build).

See you in Columbus!

PHR is my favorite :yes: . Great cars, great articles, and best of all great pics :D . Keep up the good work guys :thumbsup: .

David

Steve,

I've got kind of the same gripe as Jason. My name and copyright was dropped from Todd Miller's rendering and got no mention in the write-up at all. I thought you guys were better than that. I'd expect it from Hot Rod but not PHR, they've always been awesome about giving photo or art credit.

Other than that, the magazine's looking really good and the new format is nice.

:rolleyes:
Dude, how much free advertising do you expect to get from them? I have to pay thousands of dollars a month to to get a mention in Primedia books. The only time my logo shows up is when I pay to have it there.
Face it, with out all the press Hunkins gave you for free over the past 2.5 years you wouldn't be where you are today. Be grateful for what they've given you in the past, not bitch about what you aren't getting now.

Tyler

It's not like I'm asking for my phone number and a bunch of other crap to be posted. Simply a photo credit. I don't care about free advertising or anything, I've got plenty of work. Jason had his logo removed but at least was mentioned, so I thought I'd say something.

I'm not exactly advertising in the mag either, I'm contributing artwork to it, which happens to drum up business (as it would with any artist.) I've never thrown a giant logo on my artwork, not even on spec work. I've always kept it Name, Web address, and Copyright, and it has always been pretty low-key. Sorry you have to pay so much for advertising, but don't be mad at me for benefitting from my contributions to them.

I'm not all broken up over it or anything, I was just a bit irked. I definitely appreciate what Johnny and PHR has done for me and I really didn't mean for it to sound ungrateful. Johnny and Steve are great folks and I know they're not out to "get" anyone. They're doing a lot for our branch of the car hobby and I dig that.

I only ask to keep the logo in the rendering when I "donate" work. Other than that, I just try to sign it in a region that can't be photshopped out easily. I don't want to push it, so I try not to make the rendering about me or my business, it's about the customer's car. I expect the same recognition a shop gets when they build a car that ends up in the mag, no more, no less. If my name gets mentioned, (and actually spelled correctly) great. If it doesn't, no biggie, they don't owe me anything.

Kris and Jason, your styles are so instantly recogizable that you (almost) don't need to sign it. That's a very good thing for you.

Just my $.02.

Ben

Good input Ben. :thumbsup: I'm glad my work is recognizable. You're right though, when I saw Jason's drawings, even without the logo I could tell it was his work.

Kris

PHR is the only mag that I continually renew. The features cars, tech articles and vendors that advertise in there are great. I catch a lot less typos too. :D

Now, as long as it avoids becoming another 69 Camaro flooded magazine I'll keep reading. That's the primary reason I'm dumping Super [Camaro]...errr Chevy. There are so many awesome cars that get totally ignored. Granted, there was the feature on "unsung heroes" last year in PHR. I want to see more Buicks, Olds and Mercurys!

You can really only blame the guys that build the cars.. We constantly beg for different cars and when we find them we run them..

Alcinos Mustang II
The orange Torino
The '73 Chevelle
67? Barracuda
and that Cougar we did

Actually, compared to finding a '69 Camaro, it's even hard to find a '67 or '68.. I think there's a Cutlass comming up in one on the newer issues. It's also hard to find a Ford that isn't a Mustang.. lol

I know what you mean Steve. Maybe I should just crank out a bunch more "alternative car" renderings to generate some excitement...oh yeah, Kris already did that 6 months ago. I guess I'm SOL for now! :thumbsup:

It's not that I don't love 69 Camaros or 70 Chevelles, it's just that absolutely everyone has them or wants to build them....I blame Chevy for building them so damn well and so freakin good looking! :D

You can cover my 70 Nova whenever my wife shortens my "honey-do" list and lets me get in the garage and finish the damn thing! :mad:

Kris, so your saying the GM rendering your doing is your copyright?

You're splitting hairs Stuart. I'd say I'm copyrighting the image, not the car. Why didn't you address the other artists? Why'd you single me out? I'm not the only artist to ever copyright work, I'm just protecting myself. I could have called foul on several occasions, but I don't. The only time I REALLY have a reason to bring up the copyright is when my work is used without permission (like that polish box that Bill found at Kragen.) Nothing ever came of that case, in fact the lawyer ended up screwing me out of about $1000, but what I learned from that experience was to place a copyright on my work so that I can protect myself when my work is being stolen.

So let see if I understand. I must be from the good old boy school. When I send you pictures of my car and you do a rendring of what I want, then now that is your copyright and you can sell or give those images to someone for your profit or for your own good. For an old fart like me, it doesn't sit well when the words like copyright, mine, my advertsising, etc are used around doing renderings of our cars. Now if you create something that is your idea from scratch, then I can see your point. Maybe I'm way off base, if so fill me in.

Artwork of cars is a complicated thing considering you're basically interpreting a copyrighted design of a car designed by a manufacturer. If you throw a Chevy bowtie on the rendering or use a copyrighted name to make money, you're actually asking for a legal battle if someone wants to be a real jerk. I suppose most of the people at GM for or DaimlerChrysler that see our work are saying, "cool rendering, that really sheds a positive light on our product". They [probably] don't care to get a lawyer involved to squeeze money out of the people who help to generate excitement about their heritage or current product line.

As far as our artwork being copyrighted, yeah, it should be. As I said, it is an artistic interpretation of a product. Whether it's cars, toasters, lampshades or fine china. We design the composition, the perspective and lighting so that image becomes OUR work. It's no different than photography. You wouldn't copyright your face if a newspaper photographer took a picture of you and published it in the newspaper. You just sign a release waiver for your name, wait for the paper to come out and brag to all your friends and family [if it's a flattering picture of course].

I didn't hear about Kris' battle with the polish company, but they should have, at the very least, asked his permission. People call me all the time to display my renderings on their websites. I never turn them down and always thank them for asking first. I'm not stupid, I want my stuff everywhere as long as my signature stays on it.

Steve probably knows a hell of a lot more about copyrighting images than I ever will. Maybe he could clear this up. I try to stay as far away from the petty and complicated legal crap as possible.

Stuart: I've asked several of my past clients if I can post their renderings on my site or to make extra prints of it to sell. Granted, I usually change a couple details so it's not exactly their car. :)

Ben thanks for the reply. What about this scenario. Client has a rendering done of his car the way the client wants it to look, then the artist sells the rendering for profit without contacting the client?

Some people do that, I don't think it's a huge problem but I simply can't afford to get sued by someone who feels slighted. That's why I, personally, think it's best to ask permission; or get written permission to really cover your butt. Whenever I show something on my website that was commissioned by a builder or owner, I note it. Most of the stuff on there now [that's getting kinda old], I did for fun.

Hope I didn't step on any toes here. If I did, Sorry! :D

No toes stepped on here Ben, your input is greatly appreciated. It's such a damned touchy subject and there are so many factors. It's just as easy for a customer to turn around and sell your artwork if they have a hard copy file for posters. I don't print any of my stuff in-house yet, so all of the posters I render for people I let them go ahead and have someone of their choosing print for them. That takes a lot of the control out of my hands, but so far most everyone I've worked with have been pretty stand-up guys, so I haven't had much cause to worry. I'd worry more so that the value of the work is dilluted if too many prints are made, but that's not that big of an issue. Spread the wealth I guess. :thumbsup: Anyway, I think we should get back on topic... which was "PHR = :bow: "

Nothing personal, just trying to clarify in my own mind. I feel if I have drawings done to my specs, I own the drawings, since I paid a fee to get them done. Now if the artist wants to use the drawings to promote the work he does on a genneralized basis, then to me thats cool. But if the artist now thinks he owns the work and sells the drawings that were made for me then I have a problem with that, am I wrong?

and speaking of getting back on the subject, I still havent received mine latest copy yet. Darn mailman!

Makes sense to me. The only time I've "sold" images that I had specifically done for a customer was when a company wanted catalog art. It was actually of Scott's car. I contacted him and even got his name credited as the owner of the car (if I remember correctly.) I've concluded, based on both discussions around here and personal research, that if I ever wanted to go about selling prints of my work, it will be of non-commissioned work. That way there's no chance of any hurt feelings or legal ramifications.

Kris

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Love the mag. Started my subscription way back when they were threatening to re-do project X again. At the time I was doing a 57. The mag has gotten better and better.

I even got a little ink in the hometown hotrodding section this month...Thanks Steve.

I am still trying to figure out how Jan, in Sweden, got his issue this month 5 days before mine. They must still be using the Pony Express across the Rockies.