DSE Subframe Press Release with pictures
 

Detroit Speed and Engineering’s all new front subframe is a bolt in replacement for the original stock subframe and improves the handling and ride quality by utilizing DSE’s unique suspension geometry. It is the only subframe in the aftermarket industry with hydroformed frame rails. The hydroformed frame rails feature strength and stiffness, relatively low weight, and precise quality and repeatability. Hydroforming preserves the steel’s strength and stiffness because it is performed at low temperatures, unlike traditional high temperature processes which decrease
material strength.



The subframe utilizes a coilover shock/spring, rack and pinion steering, and splined sway bar. A 10” wide wheel can be packaged and the subframe comes assembled as an entire system. Both main and secondary crossmembers are stamped for structural rigidity. SBC, BBC, and LSX engines have been designed into this subframe.

Detroit Speed and Engineering, Inc. is located in Mooresville, North Carolina. The company provides products and services to transform a vintage muscle car into an all-around versatile vehicle. In addition to design and fabrication services, the company manufactures a line of components to bring muscle cars into the new millennium. Detroit Speed and Engineering, Inc. has been recognized for its engineering and attention to detail. For more information, contact Detroit Speed and Engineering, Inc. at 704-662-3272 or on their website at www.detroitspeed.com.


THE ONLY HYDROFORMED FRAME IN THE AFTERMARKET!

The hydroformed frame features great strength and stiffness, relatively low weight and precise quality by replacing the stamping process.

DSE exclusive suspension geometry for superior ride and handling

Specifically designed with power rack and pinion steering

Utilizes a splined sway bar

Hydroform subframe is a direct bolt-in, decreasing installation time

Accepts SBC, BBC, or LSX engines

Design can accommodate a 10” wide front wheel

Coilover shocks/springs allow spring rate tuning and ride height adjustment

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Very cool, finally an aftermarket subframe that has a beefy enough looking crossmember and doesn't look like it will "fold in" on itself under some weight. A lot of the tubular or partially tubular subframes out there look neat but I bet they're about as strong as a wet noodle.

The UCA angles are a bit out of the ordinary too, looks almost like a 78-87 A/G-body UCA arrangement!

What's the expected street price?

In person the lower arms looked Longer than stock. upers kind of looked shorter.

$6700 without brakes.

Jeff

Just saw the new subframe at Goodguys. It's typical DSE perfection. Kyle and Stacy won the suspension product of the year award and peoples choice for the subframe along with a third award for the rs electric headlight door motors.

Mike

Nice now we need one witch can take the traditional Pontiac injun engine!!!!!!! as usual its all chevy based :thumbsup:

Saw it in person yesterday at Columbus! This thing is soooooo cool. So many people were just looking at her car and not even noticing that it was in there. That's how well it's engineered and appears to be a stock component! Can't wait to get mine. :thumbsup:

You have to see the sub in person to actually see the awesome guality piece it is. I know I'm a DSE homey but it is fantastico.

Well deserved award for a great company.

Another thing cool about it is that it uses headers that were made for the stock sub frame.

I also saw the subframe a Columbus yesterday and is typical DSE quality. Stacy told me they ended up using a C6 corvette spindle because it was so similar to what they had designed it only made sense. Deliveries should be late Aug. or early Sept. and they are taking deposits to secure a place in line.

Ordering mine tomorrow...can't wait :dance:

Matt

Saw the subframe...Its soooo cool !

-Paul

Equipment
 

Also checked it out at Columbus GoodGuys. Fantastic engineering and production quality. I can't believe the investment in a hydroform machine ! That's some serious support of the industry !!!!!

Congrats !

6700$ without brakes :rolleyes: ..... And it looks stock at that.

'Gotta be kidding.

Lead.

Edit;

I guess its just that i adhere a bit more to the thinking reflected here....

https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...87&postcount=1

when will the last ounce of performance be used in all those cars? There must be many more "Pro" racers in this world with Camaros then i suspected...

OK, i give it the thumbs up too for the work. (Plus you gotta love hydroforming!) Its the justification i have a hard time finding..... ;)

ordered mine to day 6700.00 :thumbsup:
rick k

Very nice, did they give you an estimate on the delivery date?

late summer.
rick k

Oh my you guys must have more money than Brains $6,700 large with out BRAKES come onnnn and its stock hell order a Chris alston peice for a fraction way nicer lighter and stronger and looks sweeet, Detroit builds nice stuff but please guys lets face it for the monet theres better places to spend that kind of jack

I like the Chris Alston stuff but what data do you have that shows it's "lighter, stronger" than the DSE unit?

Do you know the weight of the DSE unit? Really, I'm curious...

Also, what about the revised suspension geometry of the DSE unit looks "stock" to you?

It's not stock. Just looks like it.

I sent DSE a long email asking the specifics of the new subframe. $6700 in change is not small by any means, but if it has the goods to go with the good looks, it might not be as expensive as it seems.

In your opinions, what would constitute the optimum bolt in front sub frame other than Free of Charge?

I'm reserving an opinion pending further information.

They have obviously made good business decisions in the past.

It would not make any kind of business sense to build a 24 carat, "Pig in a Poke".

tyoneal

The DSE sub is like no other, I wish it was 10K.

DSE stuff holds its value, get what you pay for and more.

Must be nice to give out BS advice without knowing anything about it.

I would like to know how good the quality is between a Wayne Due and a 21st subframe.
Those are the 3 that I'm looking at for next year.

Wow some very interesting comments, but have you gotten your heads out of the clouds and counted the zero's on this product come on and as for the alston peice page 42 of there catalog check it out way nicer peice more modern looking for that kind of money and put a stock looking item in my car come on, plus alstons is $1,900 without a-arms of course but do the math Detroit who you trying to kid hear! http://www.cachassisworks.com/downlo...c_14b_high.pdf

Just because it looks more modern in your eyes doesn't mean it's got handling in mind. Remeber that Chris Alston's Chassisworks is based more in the drag racing arena. Detroit Speed designed theirs with handling in mind. Yes, it has a stock look to it, but look at how many people opt for that look anyway. Personally, it's a cleaner look than a tube frame. And with the more modern looking suspension components on there, it's bound to be underestimated.

I'll take DSE's new s/f over the Alston frame w/ Mustang II arms anyday!

I can't afford this new setup from DSE for this build, but I am more than proud/happy to have their c/o conversion, uppers, and lowers on my camaro! And maybe just maybe one day I will buy the Wayne Due frame that all my parts will bolt onto...

BTW, I'd much rather have my current DSE setup than that Alston frame...but to each his own! :D

If you do not like the price don't buy it.I wouldn't worry about how somebody else spends there money.

The Chris Alston frame only has one crossmember. The DSE has one big beefy crossmember that looks stronger than the aston's only crossmember and then also has another one in front of the rack and pinion! Mustang 2 suspension sucks compared to the susp on the DSE

Wow, why don't you answer my post instead of spewing more nonsense.. What do you know of the geometry differences between the two? What's the weight difference between the two?

Do you think that because that it's more modern "looking" that it's somehow better based on it's looks?

Last I checked $6700 had the same amount of zeros as $1900.. :rofl:

In case you missed it.. my previous post:

The only thing better about the Alston is the price, and maybe weight, but minimal.

AWR68 makes a great point " he cant afford it" well most could not at that price! and again not that these guys arent doing there job indeed it is a great peice, and sure people will always spend money on things that seem cool because there new! "Jonny 51" but dollar for dollar and product for product even in a high horsepower good looking show car! alston is still the way to go! again my opion and if i was spending my hard earned jack it would not be on a $7,000 Half a frame hell you could have a complete tube chassis built or than again order that better looking and better all around frame from alston and still have enough left over almost to bye those fancy fikse wheels that only make 4 styles in lol Boys there are other awesome products out there but props goes to Detroit for the effort and they may rob a few of you folks sounds like it got a few suckers already good luck

And on that note, I can't be nice for long. Reading your post gave me a headache. Besides being biased towards Alston's product because you think it looks better, it was damn near incoherent. Open an english book and learn some proper punctuation.

Anyway, I'd rather have performance over looks. I KNOW the Alston sub doesn't compare to the DSE frame. F**k it. Guys, we're talking to a wall. I'm gonna go drink some gasoline.

I have a hard time thinking that you will be around long with your attitude. You like Alston's stuff, good for you. Some of us can afford a better subframe. Maybe you can't and you have to defend yourself on your purchase and by trashing something you have no clue on. You are the worse kind of person, spewing crap for which you have no idea what it is you're talking about. It’s my “opinion” that you’re an idiot. I know, let's have a spelling contest? "Doc Holliday"


Sparky 67. Thanks for the great info. Much appreciated.

I agree with Jonny51.

When I first saw DSE had a hydroformed sub frame my first thought was - Holy smokes! Those DSE guys have put some serious R&D and money into designing and making that piece.

I won't talk out of my backside about the geometry of either sub frame - Alston's or DSE's, because I don't know the differences. But, I do know this - hydroforming machines cost a small fortune, and Hydroformed parts are stronger and weigh less due to structural integrity and fewer welds or add-on pieces.

Lastly, as soon as I have $6700 in my pocket, I'll be joining the others who have placed their orders for one of those DSE sub frames.

Wow!

This thread is getting a bit hot.....

I personnally don't think screaming each other names will get us anywhere...

But as i posted at the beginning, i wonder how many of you guy's could really tell the handling difference in your car, on the street, without knowing what subframe is in it? Come on! Put a (Alston if you will) and then swap a DSE unit in it and tell me which one handles better.....I'd really like to see that.

No numbers...Feeling. If its gonna make a difference, YOU GOTTA KNOW HOW TO DRIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE. (and you've all seen the ones i'm talking about on the street!)

I know some might like to put in the latest speed parts because it 'Sounds' or looks killer and they can brag about it at the next show. But most don't have a clue what t f they are talking about.

Then again....Johny51 say's it best. (To each its own!!! :hail: )

But i tought this was a "DISCUSSION" forum....

Hope my puctuation was not too bad. (I'm french primarily) ;)


Lead.
See, to me the important issue is how wide a rubber i can fit under any corner!!!

So G-body, do you get a commission at Chris Alston? lol The way you're carrying on makes it sound like the people interested in the DSE unit are taking money out of your pocket.

Whatever the case, freedom of choice is why this country is so great. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's just that simple.

Mod Edit..

Since you refuse to answer my questions about what data you have about the two subframes I will just assume you are trolling. I have a feeling that you really don't know much of anything about either part besides price.

Just going on and on and on how one product is better than the other only based on price and the fact you think one "looks" better (the only two data pieces you present) is useless. It's almost like your a Alston employee, except I know Chris and he has WAY WAY too much class for that.

And for the record I am running a 21st Century Frame and Alston shocks, so I really don't have a dog in the DSE fight.. I just find your posts annoying and repetative. If you can't give any data I will "prune" future posts in this thread..

LOL .........This is getting funny......Im here to back DSE......If you cant afford it then dont by it.....Dont sit their and complain about it.....does anyone remember the BIG Debate about billet Hindges....Same thing....They are bad A$$ .......Thats why they are expensive....Same with the subframe ....Its Bad A$$......I think some of you will get what i am trying to get at here.........


-Paul

Wow I step away for a few hours and you guys make a mountain out of an aunt hill! no i dont work for alston and nor do i care, But my point is. unless you are reading other than you want to read out of all this, there is other products out there, and i havent bashed Detroit i have said they make a great peice just not for the money and it hasnt been out long enough to prove my point different as of yet anyone can type how good there product is, time will tell its a great idea but a good point was made by "leadfoot1" with normal street drving you are not going to notice that much of a difference, and with that said your out of $6,700 Jack compared to a better looking and "Probably" handling peice time will tell but for the money and from what i'm reading dont think the money would be justified also were not even talking about the other frames. Ones that you have mention and even the total cost unit that is made, they make a great tubular peice so to each his own, and as for me, Money is not a problem, Being smart enough to make good purchases is.

...I looked at DSE's website and could not find any specs regarding suspension geometry...Aside from the introduction at the beginning of this thread, what do we have to work with so we can compare?

Steeve, please don't lock up this thread i'd really like to see the end results!

I understand nobody has the same budget. But i tend to share a bit of this "Too expensiveness" from DSE. I posted a thread once about their 4 point cage selling for 650$ ( :wow: ) when you can get an SnW or Comp 10 point (very nice products that can compare in every way) for 200$....This is kinda ridiculous don't you think? I mean, even if you have the dough, at some point, it becomes a thing of the inflatable neighbourgh....No?

Lead.

Their is no specs because ...........IT JUST CAME OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


-Paul