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ironworks 01-19-2016 07:40 AM

IRONWORKS - 1967 Camaro with LT4, Forgeline's, Wilwood, Lots of new custom parts
 
Coming SUMMER of 2016

We were asked to build a 1967 Camaro for a very good customer of ours that we purchase a few years ago. He wanted to wait for the LT4 engine and run a T56 transmission. Well they unveiled the new dry sump LT4 at SEMA last year at that point we had the car mini tubbed and had the new Extreme Front suspension clip with Torque arm from Speedtech. The plan was to make the Camaro cool, but no major body mods.

We started with a super nice rust free car I bought off Craigslist to flip. Well I flipped it to the customer 10 minutes after picking it up in Lancaster.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...12-2014031.jpg


We are so busy here at the shop I sent the car to a great fabricator in Northern California that is doing some Sheetmetal work for us to help us keep up. I'm not sure he wants to be public, but if you have been around long enough you will figure it out. He did the mini tubs and aligned all the sheetmetal along with the front and rear suspension install. This really sped up the process for us so we could stay focused on the work we had in the shop and satisfy and already happy customer.

Just like most projects they are never what they seem. Either way better then first thought or worse. Well this one was a little worse. We decided to do the passenger quarter repair some small sections that had been repairs 20 or 30 years ago. We also mini tubbed the car and performed some tricks to the rear outer wheelhouse to allow us to clear and 335-19 wheel at a descent ride height. I won't bore you with the pages of possible minor fab pics.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...805_150225.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...807_175419.jpg

When we got the car back it looked like this. It was jacked up on some sweet IROC's.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/123_1_2.jpeg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...123_1%202.jpeg

ironworks 01-19-2016 07:59 AM

So the plan was a simple car.... Right

So
LT4 engine - Dry sump engine
T56 Magnum trans
Big Wilwood brakes SL4's in a custom color
19x11 and 19x12 Forgeline Monoblock wheels
Michelin tires
Fixed back racing seats
Seat sliders that work
Custom front and rear spoiler
Rick's tank that fits into the trunk floor
Speedtech Extreme front subframe
Speedtech rear torque arm
Ron Sutton Secret Sauce Ridetech shocks
Billet gauge cluster
Dakota Digital Gauges - Custom
Vintage air AC
AutoRad core support with intercooler and external cooler
Firewall 3 master cylinder
Electric power steering
Raingear wiper system
LED headlights
And a bunch of other typical stuff


http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2015%20009.jpg

In order to clear the super wide front tires on the 67 Camaro we will have to considerably rework the inner fenders. We are in process of that now.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2015%20011.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20003.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...nt-clip-02.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2015%20001.jpg

Then it was decided we would make some seta brackets to mount some off road seat sliders to make the seat adjustable. You pull the pin and slide it forward and repin it where you want.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20002.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20003.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20006.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20007.jpg

We used a removeable column adapter I found online that seems to work pretty good. This will make entry and exit from these seats easier.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20011.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20012.jpg

ironworks 01-19-2016 08:19 AM

We had some old Anvil hood vents laying around from my old Camaro years ago and put them on there and liked the hood. So we went with it. We also thought we wanted a little more then the stock hood latch incase it was not going to clear on the coolers we hung on the front of the AutoRad core support.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2015%20012.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2015%20012.jpg

Then we mocked up some Aero Latches. Warning the carbon ones they sell are just painted plastic to look carbon even though they are 20 bucks more.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20015.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20002.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20004.jpg

ironworks 01-19-2016 08:23 AM

After getting the radiator and core support set up we started looking for a place for the stock dry sump tank. This thing is super tall. So it looks like it will have to go right square in the center.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20004.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20003.jpg


We wanted to build some kind of fuel door that was little different.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20003.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20001.jpg

Sonar Chief 01-19-2016 08:30 AM

Nice work there!
 
Wow .... that Camaro is a lucky car!!!! :king:

Keep us up to date, following fer sure.

Michael

98ssnova 01-19-2016 08:31 AM

Is that really where you will mount the tank. Not trying to be a smartass but really curious. Very weird, can you run a custom tank or shrink that one?

ironworks 01-19-2016 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98ssnova (Post 627885)
Is that really where you will mount the tank. Not trying to be a smartass but really curious. Very weird, can you run a custom tank or shrink that one?

How come you don't use a question mark when asking a question? Not trying to be a smart ass, But really curious.

Well there are alot of reasons why. As much as I'm sure a dry sump tank is a dry sump tank. The new LT4 tank has alot of stuff in it that was not in the LS7. I also think the guys at GM may have their hands tied on some things but when you look at the tank they use in the new LT4 and you make a few phone calls for an engine that most people have never seen inside at this point. I went with the Engineers at GM that work on the performance ZO6 cars at Bob Bondurant Driving school that have gone through a few engines. If you doing any research on these cars you will find the new bearings are lead free and as soon as they get hot the engine is done unlike the old LS stuff.

If you have a better idea on a place to put something like this I'm all ears. It's 23" tall and has 2 tanks.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ront-026_a.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ttez06-019.jpg


And thirdly and most importantly, the Customer likes the OEM vibe of stuff and a dipstick that fits in the tank and works like it should and is pretty user friendly is an aspect he likes. Plus he gets a deal on GM parts and we know without a doubt this set up works.

KPC67 01-19-2016 09:03 AM

Nice work on everything. I will be following this one.

Graham08 01-19-2016 09:57 AM

Nice work! That dry sump tank is interesting for sure. Ideally a tall, skinny tank like that is what you want for best function, but fitting it in the available space is a challenge. I wonder if the second tank is a vent can, or if it serves some other purpose.

98ssnova 01-19-2016 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 627886)
How come you don't use a question mark when asking a question? Not trying to be a smart ass, But really curious.

Well there are alot of reasons why. As much as I'm sure a dry sump tank is a dry sump tank. The new LT4 tank has alot of stuff in it that was not in the LS7. I also think the guys at GM may have their hands tied on some things but when you look at the tank they use in the new LT4 and you make a few phone calls for an engine that most people have never seen inside at this point. I went with the Engineers at GM that work on the performance ZO6 cars at Bob Bondurant Driving school that have gone through a few engines. If you doing any research on these cars you will find the new bearings are lead free and as soon as they get hot the engine is done unlike the old LS stuff.

If you have a better idea on a place to put something like this I'm all ears. It's 23" tall and has 2 tanks.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ront-026_a.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ttez06-019.jpg


And thirdly and most importantly, the Customer likes the OEM vibe of stuff and a dipstick that fits in the tank and works like it should and is pretty user friendly is an aspect he likes. Plus he gets a deal on GM parts and we know without a doubt this set up works.


Fair enough you got me sorry. I will look into your question. And good luck with your build.

Sonar Chief 01-19-2016 10:18 AM

Could you provide some detail on the electric-assist install going on here ... looks like a Uni-Steer under the dash and possibly a Ididit column? Ideas on mounting the unit to a roll bar? That's a lot of torque going on there ....

Been drooling over all the pics on Photo Bucket ... :thankyou:

Michael

ironworks 01-19-2016 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonar Chief (Post 627896)
Could you provide some detail on the electric-assist install going on here ... looks like a Uni-Steer under the dash and possibly a Ididit column? Ideas on mounting the unit to a roll bar? That's a lot of torque going on there ....

Been drooling over all the pics on Photo Bucket ... :thankyou:

Michael

The steering unit is built into the column. With all the stuff under the dash it is really tight. You could use a standard column mount and just put it inline.

My desert race car has EPS and the way its mounted is pretty flimsy on the steering column side so I'm not sure its an issue as it is an assist.

Musclerodz 01-19-2016 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 627879)
Coming SUMMER of 2016

We are so busy here at the shop I sent the car to a great fabricator in Northern California that is doing some Sheetmetal work for us to help us keep up. I'm not sure he wants to be public, but if you have been around long enough you will figure it out. He did the mini tubs and aligned all the sheetmetal along with the front and rear suspension install. This really sped up the process for us so we could stay focused on the work we had in the shop and satisfy and already happy customer.

I follow your sheetmetal guy on instagram. He is definitely a top notch fabricator. I drool over all the metal finishing, good thing my phone won't cause rust.

intocarss 01-19-2016 03:32 PM

Hot Damn!!!!!

will69camaro 01-19-2016 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 627882)
We had some old Anvil hood vents laying around from my old Camaro years ago and put them on there and liked the hood. So we went with it. We also thought we wanted a little more then the stock hood latch incase it was not going to clear on the coolers we hung on the front of the AutoRad core support.

Then we mocked up some Aero Latches. Warning the carbon ones they sell are just painted plastic to look carbon even though they are 20 bucks more.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20015.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20002.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20004.jpg

I like this. I'll be putting some aero-latches on mine as well as I KNOW my coolers dont leave room for a latch. Sacrificed the stock latch for IC size. Worth it. I like how those look on the corners. That all you're going to run or considering any further in?

William

randy 01-19-2016 04:02 PM

remove the tullip panels like a lot of others do and place it there.
http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psvadglhp2.jpg

Schwartz Perf 01-19-2016 05:15 PM

Cool stuff guys.

We discovered the extra reservoir on a 2014 Z28 we worked on as well. LS7 Z06's didn't have that. Turns out it's just for additional capacity.

What are you doing about power steering? I hear Wegner is working on something, but no ETA yet.

-Dale

DBasher 01-19-2016 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 627883)
After getting the radiator and core support set up we started looking for a place for the stock dry sump tank. This thing is super tall. So it looks like it will have to go right square in the center.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20004.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20003.jpg


We wanted to build some kind of fuel door that was little different.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20003.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20001.jpg

Haha! That looks retarded! It'd look way better with a black bungee cord...:confused59:.....at least the fuel door is a little different.
Oh and Rodger, it's a lot not alot and no need to capitalize after a comma.:mock:
Lighten up Francis

SlowProgress 01-19-2016 07:04 PM

Subscribed! Thanks for spoiling the Camaro guys again. Always fun to watch professionals!

WSSix 01-20-2016 09:58 AM

Fantastic! I really like the fuel fill location, but what about venting? Does that cap not vent?

ironworks 01-20-2016 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 627983)
Fantastic! I really like the fuel fill location, but what about venting? Does that cap not vent?

Its a 4" ATL cap it is non venting. We will vent the tube inline and run a large tank vent to get it to fill well with a California fuel fill nozzle. They suck so bad.

WSSix 01-20-2016 10:13 AM

Thanks for the explanation, Rodger.

Che70velle 01-20-2016 11:15 AM

Nice build, as usual guys!
I had to look up pictures of a "California fuel fill nozzle". Wow...

ironworks 01-20-2016 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Che70velle (Post 628001)
Nice build, as usual guys!
I had to look up pictures of a "California fuel fill nozzle". Wow...

I absolutely hate pumping gas on a muscle car that wont hold the nozzle itself while it pumps. So we did this. I'm way to tall to neal down and pump the gas behind the license plate of a muscle car for 10 minutes. This car is meant to haul ass and be fun and easy to drive. Yes it has some race parts but that will just make it fun to drive faster. We plan to put some cup holders and some other stuff to make it user friendly.

Kind of what pro-touring used to be.

syborg tt 01-20-2016 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 628002)
Kind of what pro-touring used to be.

Well said and very nice build.

btw I am a little taller then Greg (not much) and I also hate bending down to pump gas in the 70.

Solid LT1 01-20-2016 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schwartz Perf (Post 627938)
Cool stuff guys.

We discovered the extra reservoir on a 2014 Z28 we worked on as well. LS7 Z06's didn't have that. Turns out it's just for additional capacity.

What are you doing about power steering? I hear Wegner is working on something, but no ETA yet.

-Dale

Actually the 2009 and later LS7, LS3 (dry sump GS motor) and ZR1's all have the added on "piggyback" oil tank that increases capacity to 10.5 QTs from the 8 QTs that the 2006-08 Z06s had. You might want to talk to Aviad or Lingenfelter about improving the LT4s dry sump tank by modifying the lower sump, it would make for an easier packaging than the GM "patchwork" that was done as a "dirty and cheap" solution to allow use of existing parts to be retained in the oiling fix.

waynieZ 01-20-2016 05:22 PM

Nice build Rodger! This is going to be a wild ride with that motor in it. Body lines look nice and crisp.

bdahlg68 01-20-2016 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randy (Post 627931)
remove the tullip panels like a lot of others do and place it there.
http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...psvadglhp2.jpg

I don't think the OE tank will fit there with the secondary tank.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

ironworks 01-21-2016 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdahlg68 (Post 628039)
I don't think the OE tank will fit there with the secondary tank.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

The OE tank wont fit there even without the extra tank. Its too tall and would require quite a large access door for the dipstick and top connections in the top of the fender. The tank will be going up front just like we planned. ( only without the bungee cord ) We have some ideas on ways to complete the package that the customer and I think will look good.

Only his opinion matters.

TomM 01-21-2016 07:15 AM

This is killer....figured if anybody could pull it off it would be you guys.....as usual....nice work...

T,

Jerems 01-21-2016 08:51 AM

Really cool build, planning on doing the wet sump version in my 1966 chevelle. Good luck with the build!

GregWeld 01-21-2016 02:36 PM

I didn't know Steve Moal would work on a Camaro..... LOL



I was talking to Neal the other day while kneeling to fill my gas tank... I wasn't bent over and the gas splashed in my face. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:thumbsup: :D

youthpastor 01-21-2016 03:55 PM

very inspiring! love the gas filler

Al Moreno 01-21-2016 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 628059)
Only his opinion matters.


I'm of the opinion that his opinion is the "Most Important Opinion In The Universe"


Nough said.

Schwartz Perf 01-21-2016 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solid LT1 (Post 628008)
Actually the 2009 and later LS7, LS3 (dry sump GS motor) and ZR1's all have the added on "piggyback" oil tank that increases capacity to 10.5 QTs from the 8 QTs that the 2006-08 Z06s had. You might want to talk to Aviad or Lingenfelter about improving the LT4s dry sump tank by modifying the lower sump, it would make for an easier packaging than the GM "patchwork" that was done as a "dirty and cheap" solution to allow use of existing parts to be retained in the oiling fix.

Didn't know that, guess we haven't worked on enough later C6 Z's lol.

Aviaid is a good choice; they didn't have a solution for the Z28 tank, we had to modify his original design LS7 tank baffle to fit. You'd need to send them the LT4 tank.

-Dale

ironworks 01-25-2016 07:07 AM

We got some under hood progress. Waiting on some parts to get the firewall down bars installed and mount the dry sump tank. We also have an intercooler fill tank to build that will go next to the dry sump tank.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20003.jpg


Our prototype rear spoiler should be here today to get installed on the trunk lid. We made the prototype in Billet aluminum to see about making some production units in carbon fiber. We hogged out ever area we could to make it as light as possible. It has the same bolt hole pattern as the stock production spoilers. Should be a cool piece. We are also going to make a bolt on flap to increase down force like the z28.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...v%20X2%201.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...v%20X2%202.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...-Bill-wing.jpg

paulk68 01-25-2016 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 628393)
We got some under hood progress. Waiting on some parts to get the firewall down bars installed and mount the dry sump tank. We also have an intercooler fill tank to build that will go next to the dry sump tank.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...2016%20003.jpg


Our prototype rear spoiler should be here today to get installed on the trunk lid. We made the prototype in Billet aluminum to see about making some production units in carbon fiber. We hogged out ever area we could to make it as light as possible. It has the same bolt hole pattern as the stock production spoilers. Should be a cool piece. We are also going to make a bolt on flap to increase down force like the z28.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...v%20X2%201.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...v%20X2%202.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...-Bill-wing.jpg

OH MAN!!! pretty please offer those spoilers for sale!!!!

Flash68 01-25-2016 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 628059)

Only his opinion matters.

And that's your opinion. So there.

sd67 01-25-2016 10:27 PM

Spoiler
 
If you make that spoiler in Aluminum, count me in for one for my 67. That piece is a work of art.

DBasher 01-25-2016 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 628440)
And that's your opinion. So there.

Hey, if I wanted your opinion I'd give it to you. :D

Rodger, is this another Fairway build?


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