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akrapovic 08-01-2016 06:30 PM
Art morrison 4 link or detroit speed quadralink
 
Hey guys,

i was hoping that a member with either a art morrison 4 link or quadralink in a 69 camaro might be willing to give me a ride in their car. I'm trying to find a rear suspension that is a bit more street friendly. I currently have a ladder bar setup which is too hard on my back (had surgery.). Before i dive in and change my setup again i would like the opportunity to see how it rides.

Fyi i live in Clarkston so metro detroit area would be preferable. With the dream cruise coming up it may be easy to meet up, shoot the sh$? And talk cars

Thanks in advance

marcus

Musclerodz 08-02-2016 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by akrapovic (Post 642400)
Hey guys,

i was hoping that a member with either a art morrison 4 link or quadralink in a 69 camaro might be willing to give me a ride in their car. I'm trying to find a rear suspension that is a bit more street friendly. I currently have a ladder bar setup which is too hard on my back (had surgery.). Before i dive in and change my setup again i would like the opportunity to see how it rides.

Fyi i live in Clarkston so metro detroit area would be preferable. With the dream cruise coming up it may be easy to meet up, shoot the sh$? And talk cars

Thanks in advance

marcus
Call Dutchboys or B&B for a ride in DSE cars. They would also be happy to sell you DSE as well.

Ben@SpeedTech 08-02-2016 04:06 PM
While you're shopping around, consider a Torque arm too, with double adjustable shocks ours is $1200 less and takes 1/5 the labor time to install compared to top 4 links, has less suspension bind, better geometry and it handles like a beast while having super smooth and comfy street manners. It's like an all around win win win situation! :D

If you're open to different ideas besides the 4 link, check out the Speedtech Torque arm by clicking Here

71RS/SS396 08-03-2016 03:57 AM
I'll 2nd contacting Billy at B&B he's in Ortonville. http://www.bbclassicsinc.com/

Vega$69 08-03-2016 06:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben@SpeedTech (Post 642482)
While you're shopping around, consider a Torque arm too, with double adjustable shocks ours is $1200 less and takes 1/5 the labor time to install compared to top 4 links, has less suspension bind, better geometry and it handles like a beast while having super smooth and comfy street manners. It's like an all around win win win situation! :D

If you're open to different ideas besides the 4 link, check out the Speedtech Torque arm by clicking Here
X2 on the Torque Arm. I've run both TA and DSE QL. The QL is good however the labor to install and losing practical use of the rear footwells weigh on my choice for future builds.

syborg tt 08-03-2016 07:40 AM
Where is the LIKE button ?

OP... you should also consider this suspension option.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben@SpeedTech (Post 642482)
While you're shopping around, consider a Torque arm too, with double adjustable shocks ours is $1200 less and takes 1/5 the labor time to install compared to top 4 links, has less suspension bind, better geometry and it handles like a beast while having super smooth and comfy street manners. It's like an all around win win win situation! :D

If you're open to different ideas besides the 4 link, check out the Speedtech Torque arm by clicking Here

Ketzer 08-03-2016 08:05 AM
I also run a torque arm and really like it.

Stielow 08-03-2016 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by akrapovic (Post 642400)
Hey guys,

i was hoping that a member with either a art morrison 4 link or quadralink in a 69 camaro might be willing to give me a ride in their car. I'm trying to find a rear suspension that is a bit more street friendly. I currently have a ladder bar setup which is too hard on my back (had surgery.). Before i dive in and change my setup again i would like the opportunity to see how it rides.

Fyi i live in Clarkston so metro detroit area would be preferable. With the dream cruise coming up it may be easy to meet up, shoot the sh$? And talk cars

Thanks in advance

marcus
I'm in the Milford area and head over to Woodward from time to time. If you want to drive Jackass 2.0 you can see for yourself how a DSE suspension puts down 970 HP yet soaks up Detroit's crappy roads .

I have installed 4 of them and really like the ride and the performance.

PM me If you are interested.

Mark

Musclerodz 08-03-2016 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 642528)
I'm in the Milford area and head over to Woodward from time to time. If you want to drive Jackass 2.0 you can see for yourself how a DSE suspension puts down 970 HP yet soaks up Detroit's crappy roads .

I have installed 4 of them and really like the ride and the performance.

PM me If you are interested.

Mark
I will take that offer!

cpd004 08-03-2016 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Musclerodz (Post 642538)
I will take that offer!

ME TOO :excited:

Rod P 08-03-2016 11:17 AM
:y0!: ummm Hell Marky you dont even invite me to dinner and now your tossing keys around?
:rofl:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 642528)
I'm in the Milford area and head over to Woodward from time to time. If you want to drive Jackass 2.0 you can see for yourself how a DSE suspension puts down 970 HP yet soaks up Detroit's crappy roads .

I have installed 4 of them and really like the ride and the performance.

PM me If you are interested.

Mark

Vince@Meanstreets 08-03-2016 12:51 PM
I can see it now, Jackass theme park. The lines would be around the block. :D

Zoomin 08-03-2016 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Vince@Meanstreets (Post 642556)
I can see it now, Jackass theme park. The lines would be around the block. :D
One All Day pass, please.

Ron Sutton 08-04-2016 09:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by akrapovic (Post 642400)
Hey guys,

i was hoping that a member with either a art morrison 4 link or quadralink in a 69 camaro might be willing to give me a ride in their car. I'm trying to find a rear suspension that is a bit more street friendly. I currently have a ladder bar setup which is too hard on my back (had surgery.). Before i dive in and change my setup again i would like the opportunity to see how it rides.

Fyi i live in Clarkston so metro detroit area would be preferable. With the dream cruise coming up it may be easy to meet up, shoot the sh$? And talk cars

Thanks in advance

marcus

Hey Marcus,

Sorry to hear about your back. I literally feel your pain, as I broke my back in a racing crash in '91. Hurts everyday. Some days less & some more.

As far a ride quality goes, the linkage system will have very little contribution. Regardless of brand of 4-link ... or torque arms as some like & have mentioned ... the ride quality is going to going down to:
* Getting rid of the articulation bind you have from your ladder bars
* Getting away from solid rod ends & monoballs & going to something with softer bushings, preferably Delrin.
* Spring rate
* Shock valving

If you're not going to autocross or track the car, I would suggest a rear spring rate around 175#.

For shocks, you want a monotube shock with relatively low rebound & compression rates in the 5" to 20" per second range. That is the range where shocks respond to bumps & dips in the road. IMHO, I would not "save money" by buying the lower cost twin tube design shocks. They can not provide the same response rate & ride quality.

In my experience from dyno testing all the shocks commonly available in the PT world ... the off the shelf Ridetech singe adjustables will provide the best control & least harshness. You want the single adjustable shock to dial in the feel to want you personally find

All rear suspension styles ... 3-Link, 4-Link, Triangulated 4-Link, Torque Arm, Truck, Arm, IRS, etc .... ALL have differing pros & cons. If you want to talk grip ... not ride quality ... bring that up. Otherwise, all will work. And all of them can be made to achieve your ride quality goal.

As far as which 4-link ... or other suspension style like Torque arm ... I'd make sure they have delrin bushings, easy pinion angle adjustment & a quality reputation. From there .... IMHO ... it would come down to dealer relationship & customer service.

Best wishes.

:cheers:

glassman 08-04-2016 10:10 AM
Dr Ron to the rescue once again. "Yeah, what he said". Im very happy with my DSE setup. Its a very good ride, along with a quality seat (Recaros in my case). As others said, it realy boils down to what your using the car for..... Cheers

akrapovic 08-04-2016 11:28 AM
Wow thank you so much for the information ron. To everybody else my thanks as well. Hopefully i can make this work and not feel like i need a walker everytime i get out of my car


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Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 642598)

Hey Marcus,

Sorry to hear about your back. I literally feel your pain, as I broke my back in a racing crash in '91. Hurts everyday. Some days less & some more.

As far a ride quality goes, the linkage system will have very little contribution. Regardless of brand of 4-link ... or torque arms as some like & have mentioned ... the ride quality is going to going down to:
* Getting rid of the articulation bind you have from your ladder bars
* Getting away from solid rod ends & monoballs & going to something with softer bushings, preferably Delrin.
* Spring rate
* Shock valving

If you're not going to autocross or track the car, I would suggest a rear spring rate around 175#.

For shocks, you want a monotube shock with relatively low rebound & compression rates in the 5" to 20" per second range. That is the range where shocks respond to bumps & dips in the road. IMHO, I would not "save money" by buying the lower cost twin tube design shocks. They can not provide the same response rate & ride quality.

In my experience from dyno testing all the shocks commonly available in the PT world ... the off the shelf Ridetech singe adjustables will provide the best control & least harshness. You want the single adjustable shock to dial in the feel to want you personally find

All rear suspension styles ... 3-Link, 4-Link, Triangulated 4-Link, Torque Arm, Truck, Arm, IRS, etc .... ALL have differing pros & cons. If you want to talk grip ... not ride quality ... bring that up. Otherwise, all will work. And all of them can be made to achieve your ride quality goal.

As far as which 4-link ... or other suspension style like Torque arm ... I'd make sure they have delrin bushings, easy pinion angle adjustment & a quality reputation. From there .... IMHO ... it would come down to dealer relationship & customer service.

Best wishes.

:cheers:


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