Big Ford End - "Bolt-On" C6/7 Hybrid Floater
 

C6/C7 Hybrid Floater System -


Installs onto any Rear-End that utilizes "Early" or "New Style/Torino" Big Bearing Ford Ends.


That's right,,,, you can use your current rear-end housing, NO welding & simple installation. BOLT-ON! :headspin:



Advantages:

• Bolts to your Early OR New Style/Torino Big Ford Housing End (Chevy 10/12 bolt application now available! https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=52854 )
  
• Reduces/eliminates brake “knockback”
• Eliminates axle deflection
• Wheel & tire remains intact should an axle failure occur
• Front or Rear Caliper / E-Brake Cable Positions
• Utilizes the robust, zero maintenance C6/C7 ZO6 Hub Bearing Unit
• Utilizes OEM C5/C6/C7 Corvette, and 5th Gen Camaro brake kits
• Utilizes aftermarket C5/C6/C7 Corvette, and 5th Gen Camaro brake kits
• Utilizes your existing BAER / WILWOOD caliper & rotor (some restrictions apply)
• Super compact design compared to traditional style full floaters
• All advantages of a traditional style full floater without the maintenance
• Replacement parts available at local GM dealer or local parts house
• No modifications required to the hub bearing unit as other kits in the marketplace

Note: this applications will add 3/16″ per side to your existing wheel mount surface (based on an existing 2.50″ axle/brake offset)

Fitment: Any rear-end housings that utilizes Early or New Style/Torino Ends


Big Ford Bolt-On “Base Kit” (pictured below)

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Big Ford Bolt-On “Base Kit” (pictured above)


Base Kit Includes:
• (2) Billet Steel, C-Series, Hybrid Floater Adaptors
• (2) Billet Aluminum Caliper Brackets
• (2) C7 Corvette, SKF 33 Spline Hub Assemblies
• (1) Install Kit
• (2) Hub Spacers
• (2) Billet Aluminum Hub Cap Seals
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PRICED AT - $1,398.00



Add Axles - $400.00
• (2) Hy-Tuf Full Float Axles

Add E-Brake items - $325.00
• (2) C5/C6 Corvette Complete E-brake Assemblies
• (2) C5/C6 Corvette Parking/E-brake Cable Brackets



Have interest?
Have questions?
Need more info?

Distributor Inquires Welcome!


Below pics of the assembled "Base Kit".... (attached Big Ford End is for display purposes only)

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Below pics shown with optional C5/C6 E-brake Assembly & E-brake Cable Bracket. These two e-brake items are optional and the system can be run without and added at a later date if desired.... (attached Big Ford End is for display purposes only)


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Big Ford "Bolt-On" kit in action!

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Sounds cool but it might just push the axle out to wide. But perfect for people who want to narrow there rear end but not be commited to the corvette ends.

I'm interested For sure. Parking brake capable?

That could be the case if you have zero room to push your existing wheel/tire combo out a bit (3/16""), but if your current set-up will clear with the addition of a 1/4", then this will work for you.

If anyone is thinking of whether or not this will work for them, pick up a 3/16" wheel spacer, stack of washers, etc. and bolt it on with your existing set-up, if you have the clearance your car requires,,, you are GOOD :thumbsup:

Or perhaps you are ready for new tires, and changing your tire size a bit may even get you the clearance you need?

YES, takes the OEM C5/6 Park Brake set-up. Most people can even utilize their existing Caliper & Rotor so long as the manufacturer of these pieces offers them in a C5/6 Corvette application.

This set-up takes the same axle as my "weld-on" set=up with the exception of the seal surface on the axle is slightly larger...

Have you came up with a price yet for just the adapters And seal?

HOLY CRAP! thats awesome....totally want :popcorn2:

:trophy-1302:

Stupid question- does this make a conventional rear with torino ends into a semi-floater? Curious on pricing as well. Any info would be appreciated.

Yes, with the floating axles it should. I've run a similar weld on style flange and it absolutely has no knock back.

Not yet, I am machining a few sets next week and once machine time is determined,,,, I can put a cost to them. I do however expect the pricing to be similar as the "weld-on" kits I sell since they are very similar, and as you may or may not know those are $900.00 a set.
Additionally, the basic kit for this "bolt-on" setup will include the axle seal and ARP hardware. Appreciate your interest! Thanks!!

Thanks Rod, I am VERY proud of this set-up! Would love to see you beating on a set of these soon! Let me know :D

Stay tuned for newly machined sets :ups:

I do not think any questions are stupid and believe that is how we all learn. To answer your question, a conventional rear with "torino ends" IS considered a semi-floater. This set-up would fall closer into the full floater category.
In a nutshell, with a semi-float axle, the axle shaft both carries the weight of the vehicle and transmits torque which directly relates to the failure of bearings, seals, and ultimately piston knockback.
With a full-float axle, the weight of vehicle is supported by the axle housing-more specifically and in this situation, the C6/7 Hub/Bearing that is attached/bolted to the end of the axle tube. Torque is now transmitted by the axle shaft that carries literally no weight since the Hub/Bearing Unit supports the vehicles weight now...

That implies that you actually went into a corner hard enough to move the rotor and push the pads back..... Just sayin'.... Hahahahahahahaha

Great idea. Yes, I'm very interested.

Thank you Jr. I appreciate you posting up your interest.
Keep an eye on this thread for more info!

Great idea! So simple, but you are the first. Brilliant really, for the person making the upgrade with additional room or before they order wheels.

Does the weld-on kit for $900 include axles and the unit bearing? Gotta link to your website somewhere? There are no details in your signature or your user profile. I looked through your posts and saw a bunch of GMR stuff but when I called GMR they said you don't work for them.

The axles & hub/bearing units are not included. Check out my other thread for more info. https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=48782

All info on these products will be on Lat-G. Please feel free to PM me or simply ask here on this thread, (or my other thread if it is related to the "weld-on" version) and I would be more than happy to answer.

I have not worked with the GMR for years....

Thanks Payton! Now what do I owe ya for saying that :lol:

Need Help
 

I was hoping to be posting pictures by now of finished machined parts but in my tireless efforts :confused59: to make this part PERFECT the first time, I have delayed and need some help from the members here on Lat-G.

What I am looking for are some pictures of your current Big Ford Ends, but please note I am ONLY needing pics of "New Style" aka "Torino Ends". What I need pictures of specifically, are pics from the backside of the End (the side the T-bolt/bolt enters from. If you also would not mind at time of posting, I would like to know what "brand/who made it" if you know, but not necessary.

Hopefully you all can give me a quick hand with this :) It would be greatly appreciated!

Jay

Hope this helps. These ends were from Dutchman.

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THANK YOU! That is exactly what I am looking for. Dutchman makes great stuff. They are also onboard to make axles for this set-up too!

Hey everyone,,,,,, please keep the pics coming. Ideally I would like a pic from each manufacturer if possible.
I am trying to verify the distance of the 4 bolt holes in relation to the outer bearing bore. I thought this would be a given that all Ends have enough room for a socket head cap screw at minimum, but just came across one set that did not and would only fit a T-bolt! NOT what I want to see and want to prove that it was an oddball..... Need to make sure that ALL or majority of "Ends" out there in the world have room for a socket head cap screw at minimum. Either way, it is not a deal killer as I have a "plan B" for those rare cases,,,, but want to verify that majority are as you just posted up in the picture above.
Also curious to see what is out there for the outer shape of the Flange itself, but most all manufacturers seem to be the same/similar.....

Here's the Dutchman outer shape.
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Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to help out.
Looks like your Dutchman ends have "flat sides" as opposed to moser/strange ends that seem to all have a radius in that area. Yours match the ones that are modeled in my CAD pictures. I have already changed the drawings to accommodate the radius version which will easily work with your/others "flat sided" ones.

One other thing I am curious to hear from everyone is if their current ends have accommodations for an "inner seal". Not all ends do,,,, but many do have and most all new ends are coming with this feature.... If you do have, it will be the bore closest to the axle tube and the bore should measure approx. 2.50-2.502" and have a small machined seat area at the bottom for the seal to bottom out on...

Again, thank you.

Anybody in AZ interested in this setup?

Jay,

Here are some pictures of my Moser set up. It does have the inner seal as well. Hope these shots help.

I appreciate you taking the time to contribute. Although I was hoping to be further along, lack of interest in this product so far has put this low on my priority list even though personally I think it is the best thing since sliced cheese.
Here are a few shots of the first sets. They are bad a$$!

I was seriously wanting these and they're are an extremely great idea and innovative. The part that made the decision for me personally is Cost.

After buying a ford housing with big bearing brackets, JSM brackets, strange axles, rotors etc its probably close to $3000 with no center section . The floaters I've priced (Speedway motors)complete are around $1000 minus the brake calipers,no center section. I know it's not an apples to apples comparison tho. I like yours WAY better.

If the axles and your brackets were priced a little lower Im sure there would be tons of interest. But people have to eat so I understand your r&d,time, money invested. Much respect for you coming up with these and offering them to others.

I understand the cost being an issue for folks, but you should see the budget I am working with trying to bring these innovative designs to life :lmao:
Just as a reminder though, this "bolt on" set-up was really conceived for folks who have a current housing/suspension brackets that want to take advantage of all the great things this kit offers over their current semi-floater configuration AND a Speedway type floater.

As you mentioned the speedway floater is a lesser dollar amount and a good option, but more for a track oriented car IMO, but as you also mentioned is not really an apple to apple comparison.
My offering is for folks leaning more towards that OEM feel/build that want a quality e-brake set-up, almost zero maintenance, and the ability to service the set-up if need be at most ANY local auto parts store/GM dealership.That you will not duplicate with the budget friendly speedway floater...

Appreciate the input & kind words, and perhaps I should/could offer a group buy which would bring the price down quite a bit. For example if I could get 10 "pre-orders" on both the flanges and axles at the same time, I could then bring the cost down on both the flange ends and axles. Just as a guess (pretty close though), the flanges would be closer to $650 for the pair & the axles at $700 for the pair.....
If anyone would be interested in this price range just let me know on this thread and when we reach 10 sets of both flange ends and axles everyone will be getting a GREAT deal!

Are you referring to just the bolt-on option or your set-up in general when mentioning putting this low on your priority list? I'm getting ready to pull the rear end out of my car next week and start fitting the wheels. I responded to your PM a week or so ago, so just want to see where things are with this and if it will still be an option?

thanks, Jake

Hi Jake,

When I say low on the priority list, I just mean I most likely will not be spending my savings on trying to keep sets of these in stock. I have a TON of time and money into these to get them were they are at today. It just ties up too much money and makes no sense for me.
I will just have to start taking orders, then manufacture. So basically there will be a lead time..... I will always be able to provide either option ("bolt-on"/"weld-on"),,,,, but most likely will be a 2 week lead time.

I have 1 "weld-on" set available. These 2 bolt-on sets are already spoken for.

Jay

Check List
 

Previously posted info no longer applicable to this product. This kit now fits either New Style (Torino) or Early Style Big Ford Ends.

Hi Jay,

Sent you a PM with some questions I have.

Robert

This is a really nice setup. Awesome!

Thanks! Another complete kit w/axles was just sold to a gentleman in Virginia. Hopefully we will start seeing some posts from some of these sales to show just how trick this bolt-on kit is.Thanks again for the positive post!:thumbsup:

I still think Vince needs to man up and run one of these! :lol:

I'm saving up now. . .I'm gonna run one of these with a fabricated 9" housing and then run the Street Tech Performance spindles in the front as well. . .

. . .excited that I finally settled on what I'm gonna run!!!

Joe - that is great news. I am a HUGE fan of this Bolt-on application as the conversion can take place in a matter of hours! Talk to you soon. Thanks!

Have you tried sourcing another vendor for the axles to bring the cost down from $450 per axle?

Talked with Dutchman and they were no less but can also produce and I have no doubt in their ability. Never spoke with Moser, but prefer Strange over all and do a great job. I like the quality of their products. Unless quantities per order increase, no substantial discount will apply as it is what it is for material, process, machining.

I know it is not an inexpensive set-up as you have pointed out before in earlier post, but this most likely will not be a deal breaker for those that really want it. Folks may have to save a little while longer but then will have an OEM type setup that is hard to compare in many ways to anything on the market.

Who knows, maybe someday I will be running hundreds of sets at a time and price will be cut in half! I can only hope :yes:

Pics & Price
 

This posts pics/pricing was updated. See original post.

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