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New Shop Design help needed
For those of you that don't know, we are building a new house to move to in Phoenix. Along with the new house comes what the builder calls an "RV Garage". Basically it's a 51 x 31 clear span shell with 16' walls, 14' doors front and rear and another 9' door on the front opposite the big door. The builder is a production builder so my options are very limited on what I can choose for them to do or not to do. I'm okay with this, but I need to make a choice here and this is where you all come in.
Plan #1 includes a built in full bath in the back corner of the garage, the rest is wide open. Interior is sheet rock finish, all electrical in place, all plumbing in place. https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...p8fxz53-XL.jpg Plan #2 includes their "Workshop" option. This includes the same full bath but also a finished room on the short side and stairs up to a loft above the finished room and bath area as well as fully ducted AC for the whole shop. https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...9mTcWhm-XL.jpg Plan #1 is a $10,000 option (to include the bath) and this is what we originally chose. Plan #2 is a $20,000 option that includes the full bath, finished workshop, and a fully ducted AC for the whole shop and workshop room. Basically I'll get the workshop and AC for an additional $10,000. I need a room out there to put my office in, but I also want to put my drive on lift in between the workshop area and the 9' door on the front. I want to leave the long side open front to rear so I can move things (RVs, cars, trailers etc) to my back yard through the building. My hang up is the 19' 6" between the stairs up to the loft and 9' door is pretty dang short for an area to put a lift in and work on things. Remember, I can NOT change either of these plans...they are take it or leave it options. I think that $10k for the AC and workshop\loft area is well worth it...not sure I can build an office out there and add AC on my own for that same amount. Plus it'll be up and running when I move in which is also a plus. I "think" if I have them build the workshop, then take the steps to the loft down later and put them up on the side of the workshop I'll have enough room lengthwise for my lift and work area. It would then be about 22' 6" long which is about the length of a normal garage stall. What do you all think I should do? |
Yea I like second option, move the stairs later. AC and workshop would cost more to do later I'd think easily.
I'm envious of the space! |
Option 1. With or without the stairs that is a tight workspace.
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I may have noticed a glitch in my plan... Notice on #1 the plan shows the optional garage door in the back? Plan #2 does NOT show that option...
I've got a call in but if for some reason they do not offer the rear garage door with the workshop option it's a no go. The rear door is a must. And I agree, even with no stairs it's kind of tight. I don't need that big of an office, 10 x 10 would be fine, that's 14 x 16 or so. Would be nice to have the AC installed though, otherwise I'll probably just have to put a Mitsubishi split system in or a swamp cooler or something. |
I would agree with your assessment that - while it may not be exactly how you would like it or design it - that extra work for $10k seems like very good value.
Cool shop either way. |
The reason this cropped back up so late in the game is we took a contract on our KC home this weekend. This freed up some cash (and anxiety :D ) so I started rethinking things.
What I did not take into consideration is that building permits have already been pulled and it's too late for major design changes...so it's plan #1 and more work for Lance once we move in I guess. At least this way I can build it like I need it to be. |
Plan number one is the right plan, value be damned.
Am I the only one that thinks its weird for the bathroom to open up outside? |
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Lolz....pool people :relax: never crossed my mind.
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Lol... Yep it's a dual purpose bathroom. There will be a $900 door that opens to the shop as well.
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This rendering kind of gives you an idea of how the RV garage will sit next to the house. There will be a travertine sidewalk from the pool deck over to that corner of the RV garage where the bathroom door will be.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...8QJHT3G-X2.jpg This is roughly what the lot will layout like once complete. https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...-zs2X4Pc-L.jpg 3100 sq ft house and a 1634 sq ft RV garage on a 8/10s acre lot in a gated subdivision in Peoria, AZ. We are basically getting everything and more that we have now on our 11 acres in Missouri...minus all the grass to mow. To say we are stoked would be an understatement. :excited: This is pretty much what it'll look like from the street. https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...-JRxzg77-L.jpg There's a 6' concrete block fence surrounding the lot and I'll have a flat graveled 50' x 50' pad behind the RV garage and a 15' wide area alongside the RV garage to put trailers and what not hidden behind the fence in the backyard. Plus there is an oversize (for AZ standards anyway) 3 car garage attached to the house. The people that just put on contract on our house pretty much bought everything we have except personal items. I'm pretty sure we'll be able to fit everything we move in one 20' rental truck, the majority of that will be my tools from the shop. I'm probably going to leave most of that as well and just buy new once I get into the new shop. Things like engine hoists, engine stands, trans jacks, screw jacks etc...mine are all old, hand me down, dirty, leaking type of tools and I figure a nice new shop like this deserves new equipment...don't you? :D It even makes more sense because we'll be renting a place there for 6 months while this is finished...and would just have to pay to store all of that crap in the meantime. My 5hp 60 gallon air compressor is still in consideration though, along with the wind up hose reels, shop vac and pressure washer. Decisions decisions... |
The pass through is nice, but I'd rather have a covered RV on the side of the shop. You can do an aluminum cover for around 5-7,500. I just think a large RV or trailer will take up too much space in the shop. Especially after you build an office.
You have to be stoked. I'm getting ready to build too. I love this stuff. |
The guys garage next to the house lools lika a 14' door. What adding a small apartment stackable washer dryer in the bathroom. Normally they are size of a closet very handy washing shop clothes. But I think option 1 would be better. You can always add the workshop later or ever change the workshop size.just my .02
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We are stoked...just now we're talking about going back out next month to check on progress, shop for furniture and find a place to rent this fall. |
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A stack unit is a good idea and can be easily added, we rough plumbed in for a sink back by bathroom as well as a 50 amp 240v plug in. |
That's going to be awesome Lance! You're gonna have a great setup!
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Lance, I would consider putting a washer and a dryer in the shop for shop clothes. Nevermind, saw that someone else suggested it.
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How tall will the bathroom be? Lofts are awesome for storing stuff that just takes up floor space. If the bath ceiling is 7-8' tall, I recommend maybe building off the side of that as well for additional storage. Just something to think about if it'd be needed. It's nice you'll have tall ceilings. We'll hold Missouri down for ya when you leave ;)
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How's the build coming along Lance? You guys acclimated to the heat yet?
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Heck, we're still in Missouri... Don't plan on moving until around Nov or so. They are supposed to pour the slab late next week.
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I've toured that exact model, very nice and great area, only a few minutes from me. Welcome to the wild wild west!
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Right on Erik, yet another new neighbor I know before even moving in!! It really is crazy just how many people I know already living in the the PHX area.
Here is a pic of the current status as of last Friday. https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...WsPBQ4X-XL.jpg That black pipe you see sticking up is the electric run conduit to the panel on the front of the house, you can see the form of the RV garage slab to the left of that with the bath plumbing in the back right corner. The RV garage framed up is my next door neighbor's. They are about 2 months ahead of me on it. Supposed to be done with slab prep this Friday and pouring it next Monday, God willing and the creek don't rise... :D |
Finally....
https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon.../i-TJDkcNq.jpg Here's the house slab also... https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon.../i-TpFbjp4.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon...WgJWgkh-XL.jpg I'm thinking I'll venture on over to garage journal and see if my log in still works... See y'all in a couple weeks... :D |
She's moving now!!
EEEEEEHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA |
mmmmmmmm.... the smell of foundation in the morning.
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Lance --- Remember to ignore any shop building advice from FETorino....
Just sayin' LOL |
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But you notice I have offered no suggestions. Looks good Lance. :thumbsup: |
lol... I'm okay with receiving all kinds of advice but I reserve the right to filter it out to meet my own needs before implementing.
I usually get an update from the Super on Friday afternoons...hope to see pics of the forms removed and maybe even a bit of final grade down today. |
Wow, what builder in Arizona offers that shop option? That's sweet! My next life plan definitely has to be a bigger piece of property with a shop. Hopefully that builder is on the Eastside!
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Not the largest or clearest of pics...but final grade is done and we are awaiting lumber and framers.
I can't tell for sure but I believe that I got my extra outside cleanout at the back of the RV garage which will double as a RV dump! Woot... From the street, House on right, RV garage on left https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon.../i-vvvMrbJ.jpg Entrance to house garage and RV garage https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon.../i-SzFxMdV.jpg From way in back on slope looking toward street https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon.../i-9zCBWx8.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon.../i-RT9RgR6.jpg This is the full bath area in back corner of RV Garage. One of the black PVC pipes behind slab is most likely for the power run to the pool equipment and the other is an outside cleanout (I hope)... https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon.../i-6qx6mxd.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/Vista-Mon.../i-xNDgkND.jpg We are going there Oct 15th and the Super mentioned that hopefully we'll have a framed in house to look at while we are there. He won't commit to an actual start date on the framing but did say we are next in line. |
Nice piece of property, looking forward to your next post .
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http://www.sheahomes.com/community/latitudecantilena/ They've got a couple models open if you want to check them out. :D |
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But I am looking at some Fulton Homes WAY out East in Queen Creek with 4.5 car garages. That should make life a lot easier for me, so working towards doing that in a year. |
They started framing yesterday...
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What have they got 30 guys working on it?? lol They are moving right a long. It looks good already.
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Framing pops up quick and it costs a FORTUNE. It's the largest expense on most builds.
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This builder has the walls and trusses prebuilt at a factory and brought to the jobsite on a truck. This is how they put them up so fast. Super said 10-11 days total to build garage and house.
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Trusses are normally pre-built. My custom home will have pre-built trusses. It reduces the framing labor substantially. I'm sure they are saving big bucks on the pre-built walls too.
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Looks awesome dude! It'll look like a structure before you know it. Like Vegas said, this is an expensive hurdle you'll be over soon.
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