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WELD/SUTTON DIRT MISSILE build
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Since the 40 Ford P/U is just about going to paint..... here's another little project we're working on... a new race car....
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Further along then Dave’s “7 Year Itch” on the first post...well played. :lol:
Lookin forward to this one coming together, it’s going to be a rocket! :flag2::thumbsup: |
Shouldn't the title be "SUTTON / weld" ? :action-smiley-027:
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When I first saw Ron's list of potential fiberglass bodies I couldn't believe it. I was like well okay those are prototype bodies that someone is going to make if you buy one, cuz I can't believe those bodies are out there and available for purchase because I've never heard of them.
But there it is, widebodied no less. I don't know what those bodies cost but geez to create a wide body mold and then build a body of which I believe the count is one, just blows me away. I mean just commissioning a fiberglass wide body Mustang seems like it would be a project in itself. Beyond that I just love Ron's chassis designs, so amazingly functional. I've seen a lot of fancy chassis being built, but when I see one of Ron's I"m like yup that is exactly each bar needed and nothing extraneous. Looking forward to watching this one. |
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I looked at your BMF beginning post last night..... https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php?t=28515 The first post was 9/2010 - Roughly EIGHT years ago.... The first post begins with "After being forced to sell my previous 68 earlier this year......" And then goes on to state..... "I learned a lot from the past build about myself, shops, estimates, priorities, etc... " Maybe - since we're changing thread names here..... we should rename your thread to "My 8 year pile of rusted parts" --- or maybe --- "I guess I really didn't learn a thing about trying to build cars" :slingshot::thumbsup: |
Hey Y'all !!! I just started a "Track-Warrior Builds - RSRT & BYO" thread on Sunday that shows 3 of the 15 RSRT Track-Warrior Builds. A lot of people don't know there are that many being built, because only a couple have build threads. In the "Track-Warrior Builds - RSRT & BYO" thread, we're going to show most, if not all of them, in one thread HERE. This thread is not showing up in the "New Posts" or "Today's Posts" currently. Not sure why. I'll reach out to Jody. Super glad Greg started this thread, as we'll show all the details of his build here. Since the concept of building a wide body Mustang is cool in itself, I'll start by showing some of body build photos & tell that story. Then we'll catch everyone up on the chassis, engine, trans & other cool parts of this build. Pull up a chair & grab some popcorn, because this is going to be a cool build in an amazing short time. :popcorn2: |
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This Wide-Body 70 Fastback Mustang body did not exist before this. But in my 35+ years of racing & building race industry relationships ... I've learned who can do what ... and do it well ... versus those that are full of bulls@#$. I've worked with Richard Earle of Suncoast Race Cars several times years back & I knew what he & his team was capable of. I knew he could create almost anything custom, as long as we were willing to pay a realistic price for what custom work takes. Normally it takes 3-4 months to have an entire "regular" fiberglass body ... shell, doors, front end, hood, scoop, dash, decklid, etc .... built. The error we made was thinking we could build a full custom widened car ... with rocker skirts, flush glass, wicked air dam & hood scoop blended ... in the same time. We didn't. It took 6 months for the shell & the rest will be 7 months. So it shortened the time we have to build the car to 4 months. Most people would be panic'd. But not my crew. This is old hat to us. Randy Chastain of One-Off Customs is building "most" of the car. Mike Tolle of Tolle Fab is building the cage & installing all the features I want TIG welded. Ron Sutton Race Technology is providing the design, parts & oversight. Randy is a long time friend. He was General Manager of Ron Sutton's Winner's Circle from start to finish. Randy over saw the building, set-up, racing, repair ... and sometimes ... rebuilding ... of 26 race cars there. He played a HUGE role in the hundred plus wins we got during that time. Mike is a long time race car builder in IMSA, having worked on and/or built just about every type of road race car. We've worked together on many projects & I love his work. The target is to be running a private test day on track at the end of June. We got this. :) |
Definitely subscribed to this one!
I don't have the heart to rip on Dave anymore. :lol: |
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I can’t wait to see this thing on track. Unfortunately for me based on the specs of this build and Ron’s tuning all I will see is the rear bumper. :shakehead: |
looking forward to this build Greg!!!
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Can't wait to watch this and the other Track Warrior builds progress!! |
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Ron, is this being built as a single seat with the drivers area enclosed with sheet metal and the exhaust and what nots hidden on the passenger side?
Also...as you start a project like this, have you got a set of prints that Randy works off of (I’m guessing you do)that are detailed down to the last fastener? Looking forward to learning how this all goes together and what aero will be used. :flag2::thumbsup: |
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Single seat? Yes drivers area enclosed with sheet metal and the exhaust and what nots hidden on the passenger side? No There will be "room" for a passenger seat, but there won't be one. That's where Greg's cool suit/cool air box goes. Yes we have a set of blueprints that outline every detail of the car, that goes along with a written build plan "checklist". I won't post the "detailed" blueprints, but I will post general prints here in a while. Yes, I actually spec every fastener, material & thickness, from the cage & frame to different sheetmetal thicknesses used in different areas. :) |
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For Greg Weld's 70 Fastback Mustang Track-Warrior ... we had a custom body built that is 6" wider! It's 3" wider on each side, right where the greenhouse (roof & pillars) meet the body.
This was done by hand with fiberglass veterans with experience doing custom bodies. Here is a progression of the body being built. |
This thing is so cool, when you have a car guy who knows what he wants, and will spare no expense, and a builder that knows all the most exotic parts in the industry. Its a formula for a epic race car, with of course a muscle car skin. It doesn't hurt that I'm super partial to Mustang wide Bodies.
That trans........YUM |
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Since we all did PRI show --- I think I'm way more excited for this to be done than I am the little '40 pickup.... And for sure to see your AMX on track with this thing! Going to be so much fun! And yes..... I think Sutton knows how to build a race car. I love his description --- low and mean! LOL ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
That's how we all describe you buddy, low and mean. Crack myself up.
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Greg = :badidea::warning::bigun2: Me = :tv_happy: |
Sweet! Glad this is getting shown along with the other ones, too.
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Maybe have a spare body handy for when he wads this one up.:mock:
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Me either but sometimes I can't help myself..... We're all great friends -- and then I go back and read something and think "WOW!" someone reading that would think we hate each other.... It's funnier I think if you're all hanging out in the garage drinking beer... But! That's the internet.... |
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Your supposed to say my driving skill, and level head will keep from needing additional body panels.
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Okay ---- I'll revise this.... My driving skills are why we ordered molds made..... |
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What about the Aero :y0!: tell us what you have planned. :popcorn2: |
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I’ve seen you wheel OY on the edge and beyond. Do you feel like you ever drove the Lotus to 9/10ths and trusted the aero and grip? |
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Not really. Sh*t happens |
Greg's 70 Mustang Track-Warrior Blueprint (without dimensions)
:bigun2: http://www.pro-touring.com/attachmen...4&d=1520367054 |
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A. Sealed front nose with airflow ducted through radiator/heat exchanger & brake ducts B. 4" Front splitter x 75" wide (supported from bumper panel) C. Splitter to wheel opening bump flare, blending from splitter into 1/3 wickers on wheel openings. D. Deep inner fender lip on back side of all fenders * To reduce airflow into wheel wells E. May, or may not, add side air extractor in fenders * I need to package everything first F. Smooth Hood / Max Surface area * Inner bracing to maximize downforce * Rounded nose (Ford style in hood removed) G. Low angle, smooth top cowl hood scoop * Ignore the silhouette drawing in the blueprint * Hood will be smooth with 4" cowl scoop H. Flush mount Lexan windshield I. Smooth body (No door handles, emblems, etc J. Ground Effects * Rockers do NOT roll under * Rockers are "boxed" to be flat on the sides * This reduces airflow "roll under" * 1.5" Wide Side Splitters full length of rockers * Practically eliminates airflow under the rockers * Creates small amount of downforce K. Flush mount Lexan side windows with radiused B-Pillars to reduce airflow into cockpit * NACA Duct in one side window for driver cooling * Provides air for the FAST Cool Suit & Cool Air Helmet Blower L. Full, smooth, belly pan from splitter to rear of car * All removable with flat head Dzus fasteners * 2 NACA ducts with hose to cool rear brakes * Can run without certain panels for better cooling & ease of use * Then run full panels when racing or running for optimum lap time M. Functional, gentle roll diffuser with 4.5" strakes N. Flush mount Lexan rear window O. Rear "Kick Up" on Mustang tail light panel removed & straightened for cleaner airflow. * Ignore the silhouette drawing in the blueprint * No rear spoiler * Top of rear deck is level / kick up removed P. Dual Element Rear Wing * Aggressive wing design = High Down Force / Medium Drag * 13" Primary Wing * 5.5" Secondary Wing * 76" Wide * 22 Angle settings with bolt hole change * Changeable Wickers for tuning * Rear Mount to Chassis * Support Mount to Body I may put some vortex generators on the trailing edge of the roof just to mess with people. Just kiddin'. The rear profile of this car is bitchin' & doesn't need VGs. |
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I have done Mazda Star cars -- with big aero.... and know what it takes to drive them and make the aero work. |
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So bad ass!!!!!!
Following along.................. |
My favourite page so far, having just built a front splitter and chin piece on my 70 Mach 1 for a 1/2 mile race here in Aus.
Watching with much interest. |
Following this one. Very cool.
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Hey Dan! Answers: I: There are no side windows. The door handle on the inside of the door ... the handle the driver uses to get out ... is easily accessible by reaching in the open window area. J: I'm not clear what you're asking. Please restate the question. L: The NACA Ducts will go in the belly pan, in front of the rear brake calipers (which are on the front side of the housing). :cheers: |
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Ignoring the height at the front and rear of the splitter, notice how the width of the “board” changes? This is the only picture I have on my phone but I’ve seen quite a few that are set up wider at the ends and narrower in the middle.
I have a lot interest on the aero...if you plan on explaining the how’s and why’s as you go I can probably keep to myself....probably. |
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There is more turbulence at the wheel wells ... both front & rear. So the designer "probably" made them wider there to deal with that. Or they may have made the middle narrower, simply for ease of driver & passenger egress. Hard to say for sure their reasoning. |
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