Zibbn Fast 69
 

Yet another 69... I figured I would post up some pics of a project camaro we (Porterbuilt Street Rods) are building for a client, Zibbn Fast Racing. The project has been dubbed "Sinister" and will be an all black two-seater roadster. Its foundation consists of an Art Morrison Max-G muscle car chassis that will be rolling on Bose Forged wheels 19x8s up front and 20x12s in the rear. Powerplant is a BRE 540 blown and injected 'Street Kill" motor that will transfer its 900+ hp through a Th400 and Gear Vendors overdrive.

I will continue to post updated pics as the project progresses.

This one looks familiar.... ;)

Think Al will let you post up the renderings or are they being kept quiet for now?

Kris

We'll wait a little longer... the suspense!

BTW the renderings are incredible! Kris Horton does some amazing work.

This looks like a very cool project .
But Personally I dont like the speedster idea (I have kids), No disrespect
and the dash is getting a little played out , But done right could be badass!

Keep the pics coming ....and the rendering. I love it

It's hard to build a 69 Camaro and incorporate ideas that haven't been "played out"!
As for the dash... I think the end result will be appealing (of course I will have a 'little' bias!)

I will definitely keep the pics coming. There are a couple other projects on the horizon that will also make their way onto the board.

Please dont take any disrespect from My post I love it and cant wait to see it done

No worries Datsbad... I viewed your comments as anything but disrespectful. BTW I dig your car!

Great and thanks

WOW, what a original idea? Welcome to 2002! Now if I could only put my finger on where I have seen that before? Why it's a Project Prodigy tribute car! No worries here, imitation is the purest form of flatterary. It has been tried a few times now but no one seems to nail it, but this one is the most blatant. Hope the owner is 5'4" or less with that seat sitting on those floors at the top of the rockers or else he will be looking over the windshield instead of through it. He might get a crick in his neck looking down at that cool dash, or his head may hit that awesome roll bar!

I am sure you guys have not seen this. I have more detailed pics to help you get it right if you need them.

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Wow this is why i am building a chevelle and a wagon to boot. Not to many out there to risk repeating stuff.

And this is why I'm sometimes tempted to never render another first-gen Camaro ever again...the owner of this car came to me and told me that's how he wanted it and it was already being fabricated. It's getting to the point where people are saying "hey, you can't do that because I did it and I did it first!" It's like telling someone they can't have the same wheels as you because you were the first to do it in my opinion.

Rendering first-gens is gonna start giving me an ulcer from all the worrying I do to make sure I don't step on anyone's toes...lol. :faint:

Kris, to be clear. I am 100% certain these people asked you for this stuff. I DO NOT think you pushed the idea on them. I am also 100% certain that they saw Project Prodigy, or your renderings of Project Prodigy before they hired you.

I DO NOT feel any ownership in our ideas, and DO NOT hold any hard feeling towards you, the owner, or the builder. As I said, we are flattered.

We have it on our tee shirts..........

"If no one is copying you, if your not making anyone jealous, your not doing anything right".

So to reiterate, were cool!

The project looks really cool, looks like another nice '69 in the works. I don't know about you guys but I love seeing them all, even if the ideas are similar, it should be taken as a compliment. :thumbsup:

Thanks Ryan and Frank, that makes me feel a lot better. At the end of the day, everyone's just trying to build a bada$$ car, right?

What a nice guy! Thanks for reminding me what year we are in, oh, and thanks again for the design and build pointers. I don't want to be disrespectful but WOW... and a "tribute car" to you.... you got it!

I was curious if you could give me a detailed build sheet with exact specs... so we can get this right of course.

You know, I have been frequenting this site (and others) for quite a while, and have had quite a bit of respect for Prodigy Customs... They definitely put out some nice cars with stellar craftsmanship. Needless to say, I am a little taken aback at the comments.

OK, Project Prodigy specs and likenesses, Black, Spine and backbone full frame, Camaro convertible, 540 big block, Corvette styled Dash, Shelby type roll bar. LOL! Honestly, I am seriously flattered everytime soneone uses our ideas. Please do not be taken aback by the coments, they are not intended to harm. I will be the first to admit I have taken design ideas from others, usually other type cars, and incorporated them into our builds. Hell, I stole the Cobra Gas Cap from SteveO and that was on a 67 Camaro.

Believe me, I know as well as anyone how hard it is to be original. Personally I have hit a creative wall right now and am looking for some outside ideas.

BTW, the fabrication looks killer. the steel dash work looks fantastic. It would make a cool photo with the 2 of them when it is finsihed. What is the scheduled debut for the car?

Unfortunately, your first post made an invaluable first impression on me.

I definitely have seen the 'Project Prodigy' before and I like it. There are some very similar ideas incorporated into this build. The only idea that I could feel responsible for 'mimmicking' would be the role bar. This car started life as a coupe, and I never paid attention to Prodigy's dash or motor. If it were up to me the car would have an LSx motor with a pair of turbos... but the motor had already been purchased. Maybe a Duramax would've been unique enough????? :lol:

Anyways, I could probably be here all day justifying why this car isn't the same as yours... it wouldn't get us anywhere! Last thing I want is a feud between someone whose work has my respect... I better get back to work!

Thanks for the compliments

As long as its not a 65 Sedan Delievery Wagon like we're building...... because then we would have words ! :D

J/J....
porterbuilt... that 69 looks to have some killer fabrication..... Cant wait to see it finished ! nice build !

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all you high end shops come up with all the neat ideas and leave us little guys in the dust...any one building a amc matador?

Pro-Touring Yugo anyone? Pretty sure no one will be throwing up red flags on that one...well, not when it comes to the design but rather the fact that someone's actually building a Yugo...

I'm glad the there's no serious bad blood forming between Prodigy and Porterbuilt. I'm sure the end result of the Zibbn car will be a substantial departure from Project Prodigy. One's a 68, the other a 69. One has a Stinger hood with the motor concealed, the other will have a cowl hood with a blower scoop. And so on, and so on. If anything, this will be another positive for nice Camaro convertibles. I've always preferred hardtops, but with cars like Prodigy out there it's getting hard to not like verts more. :thumbsup:

"Unfortunately, your first post made an invaluable first impression on me."

Porterbilt I think it is very mature of prodigy Customs to be as cool with it as they are. His first post may have given you a wierd first impression, but his post was posted after seeing a car with almost identical custom touches. Not simply the same wheels, and not simply the same roll bar. You could tell after he soaked it in his other posts were a lot more calm. I would like to think I would have reacted the same way as Frank. Your car is looking great and I am looking forward to seeing it completed.

there are plenty of people who have built that style of car. i don't think anyone should of acted the way they did. but who knows. tons of people have copyed my car, and i congradulate them for trying to one up me, thats what its all about i thought?

Frank-

How about welcome to the Year One Innov8r Camaro, from late winter of 01? They did that roll bar before you guys did, is prodigy a throw back to the Year One car?

Cut the guy some slack.

Tyler

Tyler's a definite voice of experience in this case after seeing that one Norwegian (or wherever it was) Camaro that ripped off his body kit and the Hot Rod Magazine car that had a rear spoiler lik the one one 50/50. It happens in the industry. Sometimes intentionally, sometimes by coincidence, but rarely, if ever, out of spite. I'm sure Frank was just pissed that someone was building a very similar car. It's human nature to want to have the first, best, and only version of something. That's why things that are "one of a kind" are so expensive and that's why things that are knock-offs off of those things are in such high demand.

Kris

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how about the hundreds of copies out there some nicer some not but it is neat to say you were the first. I was going to build a mustang that was two tone copper/orange and black with R bumper cover. I had Kris Horton render it and then Brian came out with pictures of his and damn it was the car I wanted to build. Being different is good( take Jeff Schwartz for example) but there are only so many ways to build a car and using other peoples ideas is a fact of life (in almost every portion of life)..so go ahead and incorporate them into your cars and enjoy. if something becomes played out then it will just force someone out there to think of something new. Aren't we all copying Big Red, Hal Baer's Mustang, The Novette that Hod Rod Magazine built in the early eighties(silver and black 64?)and some of the other fore fathers of Pro-touring anyway?

I have seen the renderings of this car. It is safe to say the only part of this car that is similar is the pictures shown at the begining of the thread. The rest of the car is a far departure. I would like to retract my tribute coment, LOL! Again. not pissed at all. just a smart ass I guess. Anyone that knows me knows i am serious about 50% of the time. Actually the way I figure it, about the time Prodigy fades, this thing will pop and renew it.

Tyler, Actually my 1968 Shelby KR500 convertible was the inspriation for the roll bar and Shelbyisk / Cobra fuel door. We did see SteveOs car and confirm our gas cap fantasy. We called Steve and told him we were stealing his cap, before we knew him. In fact, I think that is how we met. At the time Michael started this car, I was out of the pro touring loop and did not know the Innovator existed. I did not join Pro Touring until Aug 2003. When I saw it I was like damn! That is pretty similar to what we are doing. We were doing Petes car at the time. So I copied it for Petes roll bar which is almost a direct knock off. And will gladly tell them.

Now this, this is stealing the Innovators roll bar...................

The Year1 rollbar was a Ford item that was for appearances only.

Thank you for posting your project and please keep up the updates! I don't care whose idea it is/was as long as you take the time to show us the fabrication and great work! The second woman to get silicon implants probably could have been called a copycat by the first. God bless all the women that recognized a good thing and followed suit :unibrow:

coool build! keep us posted
love the fab work/
Is the frame welded or bolted in? :thumbsup:

67SConvert - :lol:

uhm anyway some of you guy's could talk to my wife and maybe suggest this modification. Seems like a great idea.

BTW - Very nice car

The body does unbolt from the chassis.

I will definitely be posting the updates as progress continues.

Kris:

I have enjoyed seeing your renderings for quite a while now, and have always enjoyed looking at them. I'm sure I will call on you one day in the not so distant future for one of my own.

For those people who give you a hard time about, Who was the first to do one thing or the other, I would just tell them to, 'Pee up a Rope!', and continue to do what you do well. Poeple who do this in my opinion need to get a life of their own and move on.

Keep on keeping on, and please save a 1st gen Camaro rendering for me, as that is what I'm building also.

Take Care and good luck.

Best Regards,

tyoneal

Marty,

Trust me when I say that anything over a full C is a waste mouthwise although hand wise D's rule. Unfortunately for you, Dave or Kevin can't help you out here! :lol:

John

BTW, good to see that you're back on your feet! :thumbsup:

Made some more progress on the car. Shaved the doors, mirror, marker lights, and gills. Replaced the lower rear quarters, installed the front brakes and bolted up the wheels. The rears are just mocked up... ran out of time today to install the axles and rear brakes.

The dash is coming together and starting to take shape. It will wrap all the way along the doors and around the back behind the seats and then flow down into the console like it does in the front.

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Some more pics of the sheetmetal work... nearly finished with the rear portion and roadster 'cap'.

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