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WicKeD_SS 11-27-2006 06:54 PM

Mini-Tubbed 67/68 camaro owners....I need your Help!
 
Hey guys, I just got off the phone with intro wheels, and I’m not sure what to do. I need your help!

I have had my 67 camaro Mini-tubbed and have bought the DSE off set shackles and have moved my shocks in board. I have measure 8 1/2 inch from the mounting surface to the frame. 5 inch from the mounting surface to the inside fender. That gives me 13 1/2 inch to work with. I wanted to go with a 12 inch wide rim on the back and Intro clams that the biggest I can get in there is a 10. I’m so confused, cuz Stuart Adams 68 has exactly what I have done and he is running a 13 inch wide rim. Or Greg banks 68 is running 11 inch. That’s just two of several that are running wider then 10 inch.

So is Intro wrong? Plz any help would be appreciated! I want to order rims very soon, and I have spent too much money to settle with 10 inch wide rims. Any suggestions on what to do, Or what back spacing I need to get a 12 inch in there,.Maybe even tire size.

Thanks so much for your time.
-Brian

camcojb 11-27-2006 06:57 PM

Intro is wrong; do they understand your car is mini-tubbed?


Jody

WicKeD_SS 11-27-2006 07:00 PM

Yes I told him what I have done with the springs inboard to the off set shack's. I explained everything, but he still said " it wont work" I dont know what to do!

68protouring454 11-27-2006 07:00 PM

no worrys
 
a 12 will fit if the dse tubs were done properly.
are you using a factory width rear end?? if so back spacing will end up around 8 but you need to measure your car
here is a pic of my car with 18x11.5 with 335 for mock up
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7...ckup006nd1.png

WicKeD_SS 11-27-2006 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68protouring454
a 12 will fit if the dse tubs were done properly.
are you using a factory width rear end?? if so back spacing will end up around 8 but you need to measure your car
here is a pic of my car with 18x11.5 with 335 for mock up
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7...ckup006nd1.png

I am using a 10 bolt factory rear end. I ended up with 8 1/2 back spacing to the frame from where the wheel mounts to the rotor.

Stuart Adams 11-27-2006 07:16 PM

If its been mini tubbed properly then 12" will fit no problem. Good luck.

ZZ3ElCamino 11-27-2006 07:22 PM

I have talked with them about my Elky and they claim my car will only accomodate a 8.5" width (which it can handle a 10"). They do this because they want to sell you something that will for sure work and not come back to them. Dave at Intro is over conservative. Go with what your measurements tell you, and tell Into exactly what you need even though they will tell you, "if you buy them and they don't work, you own them". They also told me that they would send me a blank wheel with the offset and width that I want to run just for a fit check. I would just have to pay shipping both ways. This may be the safer way to go if you want to be 100% sure.

Hope this helps out!

Van B 11-27-2006 07:31 PM

Or..find a different company to buy your wheels from. :rolleyes:

WicKeD_SS 11-27-2006 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZZ3ElCamino
I have talked with them about my Elky and they claim my car will only accomodate a 8.5" width (which it can handle a 10"). They do this because they want to sell you something that will for sure work and not come back to them. Dave at Intro is over conservative. Go with what your measurements tell you, and tell Into exactly what you need even though they will tell you, "if you buy them and they don't work, you own them". They also told me that they would send me a blank wheel with the offset and width that I want to run just for a fit check. I would just have to pay shipping both ways. This may be the safer way to go if you want to be 100% sure.

Hope this helps out!

Yeah I talked to dave and I am all messed up after talking to him. That blank wheel thing would be what I need to do. Ill have to give them a call. Not sure if they have a 12 inch to send.

WicKeD_SS 11-27-2006 07:38 PM

Dose anyone know how far the wheel can be away from the frame? will 1/2 inch be ok?

Van B 11-27-2006 07:45 PM

Oh, by the way, I have a minitubbed 67 and my rear wheel is 11 inches wide with stock width rear end and 6 7/8 inch backspace on the wheel.

You need to figure some clearance for the sidewall of the tire. Look at the section width of the tire you plan to use. Subtract your rim width from the section width. Half of that number will be how far the tire will stick out from the wheel. Keep in mind that there will be some sidewall flex on cornering.

ZZ3ElCamino 11-27-2006 08:25 PM

WickedSS, you may also want to contact Marty (Syborg TT on this forum) to see if you can rent the tool below. This tool actually holds the tire you want to use. It gives you the offset of the wheel based on the position of the tire in your fenderwell. A while back he said he would rent it to me, but I am still a ways away from needing to figure out width and backspacing for my car.

http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siih..._11_10_041.jpg

XcYZ 11-27-2006 08:26 PM

They definitely don't understand what mini-tubs are. They obviously think that all you have is offset shackles and that the wheelhouses are stock. As many here have already noted, a 335 will fit with the DSE mini-tub kit, but the backspacing will be up to you to measure correctly.

WicKeD_SS 11-27-2006 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZZ3ElCamino
WickedSS, you may also want to contact Marty (Syborg TT on this forum) to see if you can rent the tool below. This tool actually holds the tire you want to use. It gives you the offset of the wheel based on the position of the tire in your fenderwell. A while back he said he would rent it to me, but I am still a ways away from needing to figure out width and backspacing for my car.

http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siih..._11_10_041.jpg

Do you have any Idea how much I could rent that for? And how would I get ahold of him?

ZZ3ElCamino 11-27-2006 08:49 PM

https://lateral-g.net/forums/member.php4?u=564

WicKeD_SS 11-27-2006 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XcYZ
They definitely don't understand what mini-tubs are. They obviously think that all you have is offset shackles and that the wheelhouses are stock. As many here have already noted, a 335 will fit with the DSE mini-tub kit, but the backspacing will be up to you to measure correctly.

correct me if im wrong, all I need to do is measure from the mounting surface to the frame and from the mounting surface to the inside fender lip. Right?

Witch I came up with total 13 1/2. So if its 8 1/2 from the rotor to the frame and 5 inch to the fender, how much do I need to take away for side wall and tire flex? any idea?

I want to thank every one that is helping me!

-Brian

awr68 11-27-2006 10:54 PM

Yes .5" TIRE clearance is fine but the minimum. What size tire are you going with?

Are you wanting a reversed lip design or standard lip wheel...Intro only offers up to 10" wide wheels in there reversed lip wheels, although for a ton more they will weld two hoops together to go wider. Were they possibly telling you the wheel only comes in a 10?

For what it's worth I have a 18x11.5 wheel and a 315/30/18 tire on my 68 w/ only a 2.5" mini-tub.

If you are stuck on Intro wheels give HvyDeez a call, they are easier to deal with, they are who I used for my Intros.

awr68 11-27-2006 11:05 PM

Don't do what I did the first time around and center the wheel in the well, this put the tire too far under the car and didn't look right! You need to decide if you want to roll the fender lips at this point. Then figure you want the wheel/tire .5-.75" from the outer fender lip and measure back to the axle, this is your offset measurement and will give you something to work off of.

What I prefer to do in your situation (already have the axle) is to use an old wheel for mock up. I use fender washers to shim the wheel out off the axle untill I like what I see then do the math.

Good luck with it and be sure to post pics!! :thumbsup:

71Nova 11-27-2006 11:22 PM

I am not sure but I don't think Intro makes wheels wider than 10in. that could be why they are tellling you bigger won't fit. I just looked on there web site and the wheels that I clicked on only had mesurements up to 10in wide.
http://introwheels.com/index.php

fletcherscustoms 11-28-2006 06:39 AM

I am full line intro dealer and can help you with anything you need. I have the best pricing on here!

As far as 12" wide wheels from intro, they do make them all though the price almost doubles for 12" wide cause they are double hooped. Send me a PM with what wheel and size you want and I'll get you a price ASAP.

Thanks,
Chad
www.fletcherscustoms.com

MarkM66 11-28-2006 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Van B
Oh, by the way, I have a minitubbed 67 and my rear wheel is 11 inches wide with stock width rear end and 6 7/8 inch backspace on the wheel.

You need to figure some clearance for the sidewall of the tire. Look at the section width of the tire you plan to use. Subtract your rim width from the section width. Half of that number will be how far the tire will stick out from the wheel. Keep in mind that there will be some sidewall flex on cornering.

Follow this advise. Some measureing (which you've done), a little research on tire specs and some simple math will tell exactly what you need.

WicKeD_SS 11-28-2006 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awr68
Yes .5" TIRE clearance is fine but the minimum. What size tire are you going with?

Are you wanting a reversed lip design or standard lip wheel...Intro only offers up to 10" wide wheels in there reversed lip wheels, although for a ton more they will weld two hoops together to go wider. Were they possibly telling you the wheel only comes in a 10?

For what it's worth I have a 18x11.5 wheel and a 315/30/18 tire on my 68 w/ only a 2.5" mini-tub.

If you are stuck on Intro wheels give HvyDeez a call, they are easier to deal with, they are who I used for my Intros.

Thanks for the advise, do you have any pics of your car. Would like to see the 18 on the back, or the whole thing.

Thanks

mdprovee 11-28-2006 05:10 PM

Not sure if it will help, but here are pictures of when I had my 67 camaro mini tubbed.

I am running 11" wide wheel, 5 1/2" backspacing. I had my rear end shotened.

http://hometown.aol.com/gumbydmit22/mpcamaro.html

WicKeD_SS 11-28-2006 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdprovee
Not sure if it will help, but here are pictures of when I had my 67 camaro mini tubbed.

I am running 11" wide wheel, 5 1/2" backspacing. I had my rear end shotened.

http://hometown.aol.com/gumbydmit22/mpcamaro.html

Yes! any pictures will help out alot.

Shawn Strunk 11-28-2006 06:42 PM

I have intro 12" rims on my car
 
Sounds like you got the info you need but I just wanted to tell you I ordered custom 12" rear rims for my '69 Camaro from intro. Dave is hard headed and doesn't want to sell you something that might not work. Go to members and to Shawn Strunk's '69 Camaro to check out my car.

WicKeD_SS 11-28-2006 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawn Strunk
Sounds like you got the info you need but I just wanted to tell you I ordered custom 12" rear rims for my '69 Camaro from intro. Dave is hard headed and doesn't want to sell you something that might not work. Go to members and to Shawn Strunk's '69 Camaro to check out my car.

yeah i noticed that hehe. Ill check it out right now. thanks!

awr68 11-28-2006 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WicKeD_SS
Thanks for the advise, do you have any pics of your car. Would like to see the 18 on the back, or the whole thing.

Thanks

Look here, some pics on page 1 and others on page 3....enjoy!!! ;)

markss28 12-01-2006 11:39 AM

I say order from Intro because they look cool and are great rims. I would just order them the way I need it with the right back spacing and width. They will send you exactly what you ordered just make sure your right on the demensions.


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