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XcYZ 12-05-2006 06:49 AM

Vote for your favorite version of s-Curve
 
Ben Hermance:
http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/hermance.jpg

Jason Rushforth:
http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/rush.jpg

Brian Stupski
http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/brian.jpg

Kris Horton
https://lateral-g.net/s-curve/s-curve_Horton800.jpg

Hdesign 12-05-2006 07:57 AM

Looks great Kris, well worth the wait!

Well, it looks like we have a good range of concepts to choose from. Any of these will work well with the Olds. Hopefully there's something for everyone!

Again, thanks to Scott for this forum to showcase all of our artwork and Jeff for his investment of time, sweat and $$$ in the project.

Kris Horton 12-05-2006 10:34 AM

Thanks Ben, I was glad I had a chance to contribute. Jeff is a hell of a cool guy to work with and is really knowledgeable and best of all, has good taste, which as an artist, makes it much easier to design for him.

I wish I would have had a little more time, especially with the last few weeks being as busy as they've been for me, but I'd say it's about 90% of how I would have liked to have seen it. I ran out of time on the small details like the smoothed and recessed marker lights, and would have liked to have tried some door handle options (shaved handles are neat, but a real pain in the a$$ sometimes.)

The red and silver scheme came after several other color and paint scheme options I threw at Jeff and I think he and I both agree that it's a good looking setup. It's sleek and sexy because it's silver, but the red stripe shows a darker side to it.

Ben's exhaust idea is killer and I'm glad Jeff decided to have me render it on my design as well. No matter whose paint scheme gets chosen, I'd love to see that realized.

Kris

sik68 12-05-2006 10:56 AM

Is this still a budget car?

Hdesign 12-05-2006 11:37 AM

Yep, $15K as far as I know.

3kidsnotime 12-05-2006 11:56 AM

Id like to thank Brian Ben Jason and Kris for the hard work, All the renderings look great to me :thumbsup: The budget for all parts and supplies will be $15,000 All the labor will be in house with the exception for the interior.

XcYZ 12-05-2006 12:17 PM

Does the average typical cost of a rendering from the artists that contributed go against the $15k?

3kidsnotime 12-05-2006 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XcYZ
Does the average typical cost of a rendering from the artists that contributed go against the $15k?

As long as I dont get a bill :_paranoid I feel every project with hard money spent needs to have a rendering, It builds focus on the project so I feel a rendering cost needs to apply :thumbsup:

Hdesign 12-05-2006 12:32 PM

I actually spoke to Jeff about that about 2 weeks ago. I sorta feel like it should be part of the budget even though we're not really charging for it. It is part of the build process I guess, specifically this build. It shows what can be acheived with $15K. What does everyone else think? Maybe I'm wrong.

Kris Horton 12-05-2006 01:08 PM

I'm with Ben on this. Renderings are becoming a "given" part of the build process these days, especially to those planning on spending a lot of money. Just think of how many projects you see on this site and others where the builder or owner has a rendering to show his plans for the car. I would definitely include the price of the renderings into the overall build cost. That's my 2 cents. :)

Kris

G-Body 12-05-2006 05:48 PM

This is too easy! Kris's Design is really artistist and simple! have to say knris i like the first one but the blue is not right for that car too dated been way over done before in the past!

3kidsnotime 12-05-2006 06:27 PM

Brian your box is full

ottatyme 12-05-2006 06:29 PM

Cleaned you out a nice spot.

3kidsnotime 12-05-2006 06:31 PM

Thats just one of the few things that make you such a great guy :D

jonny51 12-05-2006 06:37 PM

Too each there own!

http://www.lateral-g.org/events/semashow2005/020.jpg

G-Body 12-05-2006 07:18 PM

Beautiful Cuda! indeed..... so am sure you have seen the rendering! and i agree everyone has there own style not trying to hate just have not personally been impressed with any of Jason's DESIGNS and renderings. I think the proofs in those little bars at the top of the page

camcojb 12-05-2006 07:21 PM

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but let's keep the insults off the board guys. He's asking for opinions of your favorite, so lets keep it at that.

Thanks.

Jody

Lcamino 12-05-2006 07:32 PM

As far as I can tell this is a question about the car itself and not the renderings. That being said I like the Black and Gold paint scheme but with the bumper treatment from the blue one. I would also consider painted bumpers, maybe black.

youthpastor 12-05-2006 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-Body
Beautiful Cuda! indeed..... so am sure you have seen the rendering! and i agree everyone has there own style not trying to hate just have not personally been impressed with any of Jason's DESIGNS and renderings. I think the proofs in those little bars at the top of the page

Wow, I've never had a car on the cover of HOT ROD that I totally designed! :thumbsup:

oldzzy 12-05-2006 08:25 PM

I personally like the blue car best except maybe with the W30 hood, but that would probably put it over budget. I have been going to Oldsmobile car shows for around 25 years and one thing that i have never thought looked good on an Olds is painted bumpers, but then again that is my opinion. Good work by all the atrists tho! :thumbsup:

G-Body 12-05-2006 09:24 PM

I agree all about the car! Im just excited were doing an olds awesomeeeeeeeee, who ever thought of this is a genius, will fit in well to the erea of the times olds are about to get there turn in popularty besides you can only do so much with a 69 camaro that hasnt been done already, also look for the G-bodys to explode great styling under the hood will swallow any engine keep up the awesome input. PS i still like the silver and red lol :thumbsup:

JayR 12-05-2006 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-Body
Beautiful Cuda! indeed..... so am sure you have seen the rendering! and i agree everyone has there own style not trying to hate just have not personally been impressed with any of Jason's DESIGNS and renderings. I think the proofs in those little bars at the top of the page

Who are you??? And how is it you think the Cuda is "Beautiful" but never been impressed with any of my designs?? I designed everything on that car.

Looks like I missed all the action while I was at the drawing board today.
Apparently, I have to defend my work from people I've never even met in the context of a fun little showing among friends in a forum I'm proud to be a member of.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and their own personal style and taste which you should strongly consider when you hire a designer or a builder but don't try to talk out your southern output about me because my design isn't your favorite.

And to Jody, Chris, Jonny, and Brian; Thanks for the love. You guys are pros.

Musclerodz 12-05-2006 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3kidsnotime
As long as I dont get a bill :_paranoid I feel every project with hard money spent needs to have a rendering, It builds focus on the project so I feel a rendering cost needs to apply :thumbsup:

I think it should so be sure to take $1K-$2K depending on the average charge of each talented artist for 4 redenerings of the Olds.

Mike

3kidsnotime 12-05-2006 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayR
Who are you??? And how is it you think the Cuda is "Beautiful" but never been impressed with any of my designs?? I designed everything on that car.

Looks like I missed all the action while I was at the drawing board today.
Apparently, I have to defend my work from people I've never even met in the context of a fun little showing among friends in a forum I'm proud to be a member of.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and their own personal style and taste which you should strongly consider when you hire a designer or a builder but don't try to talk out your southern output about me because my design isn't your favorite.

And to Jody, Chris, Jonny, and Brian; Thanks for the love. You guys are pros.

Jason you missed nothing, You need not defend who you are or your work. You and your history speak for itself, A petty action from a petty person needs no explination. You have more friends and respect on here than you might ever know, Thanks Jeff :hail:

JayR 12-05-2006 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3kidsnotime
Jason you missed nothing, You need not defend who you are or your work. You and your history speak for itself, A petty action from a petty person needs no explination. You have more friends and respect on here than you might ever know, Thanks Jeff :hail:

Thanks Brother

Bill Howell 12-05-2006 10:04 PM

Wow!!!
I know three of the four guys that offered a rendering here. Having owned a 71 442, I have a soft spot for this project and have been keeping up with the threads on it.
It is truely hard for me to pick a favorite here as I see two that I really dig.
I gotta say though, I can not believe someone would knock anothers work in an open forum? It would be one thing if Jason had been blowing his own horn about a project, but to blast his work ( donated by the way for free as a token of his appreciation to Scott and this site ) just blows me away. Especially since Scott started the thread and set up the poll. This is one time when if you don't have something nice to say, why say anything at all.
When I read this thread earlier, I was thinking this would end up being an artist popularity contest and hard to get a true feel as to which direction the car should go. I really look forward to seeing which rendering guides the project. Though all four are different, I like things about all of them.

Jason, don't let the haters get you down, most here know you and your work. I look forward to working with you on a build myself some time.

Derek69SS 12-05-2006 10:31 PM

I don't think the cost of a rendering should be included, as it's not a part of the car itself. The purpose of this car is to show what you can build with $15,000 ...and most of us should be able to envision what we plan to build without having a rendering done. The purpose of this excercise seemed to be more to help get the forum to all focus on one common goal... if it was not intended to be a "group" build, it would be built to the owner's specific tastes - instead, he left it up to us and a rendering contest was a great way to get an idea of what we all had in mind.

BTW, as I said in the other topic, I really love the "musclecar" look of the black & gold. The others have more of a "class" and "elegance" look to them, which isn't my particular taste... nothing wrong with that, just not what I'm into. :)

3kidsnotime 12-05-2006 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek69SS
I don't think the cost of a rendering should be included, as it's not a part of the car itself. The purpose of this car is to show what you can build with $15,000 ...and most of us should be able to envision what we plan to build without having a rendering done. The purpose of this excercise seemed to be more to help get the forum to all focus on one common goal... if it was not intended to be a "group" build, it would be built to the owner's specific tastes - instead, he left it up to us and a rendering contest was a great way to get an idea of what we all had in mind.

BTW, as I said in the other topic, I really love the "musclecar" look of the black & gold. The others have more of a "class" and "elegance" look to them, which isn't my particular taste... nothing wrong with that, just not what I'm into. :)

A very good point Derek Thanks for the input :thumbsup: does this mean I have more money :unibrow:

ottatyme 12-05-2006 10:57 PM

It was Jason that actually inspired me to submit my work to magazines, and to Scott here, and he's a great friend... I apologize for getting wound up at the comment made earlier by another member, but found it uncalled for. I agree that his work alone speaks volumes.

As for adding the price of the rendering on this project, I feel that the point would be moot... the idea here was to view the renderings as a bunch of guys just throwing ideas around, and as a way to give a visual springboard for the build. Besides, giving something back to the community here was a pleasure (and an excuse to draw more!) Had this been a full-bore, ground-up build focusing on body and interior mods, etc, then hell yes, a rendering should be a requirement to have all involved on the same page, and, of course, figured in to the budget. For a community build, where the focus is on teaching those new to the hobby, the renderings are just what I said before, a visual springboard, and another aspect to consider when planning a build, that being hiring a designer to help narrow the vision.

Great points made by all!

zbugger 12-06-2006 12:37 AM

You know, I looked at all the renderings, and I can't vote on just one. They all have something about them that just kicks. From Ben's design with the exhaust and the stock flat hood, Jason's classic design, Brian's design with the stripe separating the two colors, and the look that Kris' design just gives to you, I can't just chose one. With touches from all of them, I say do this. Use Jason's paint design, with Kris' color combo with the silver body and red underneath. Ben's modifications just fit, and if there's any way to do it, use Brian's hood and turn signal relocation. Like I said, they're all so good I can't chose just one. I choose them all.

Hdesign 12-06-2006 06:14 AM

Good points by Derek and Brian regarding factoring in the cost of the rendering.

My point is that you can still be really creative and have some big league and tasteful body mods within a relatively modest budget. It doesn't matter whether they are ideas conceived by the owner or the designer, but in this particular case there were many ideas presented by both designers and Jeff that may be used. I think it just proves the point that you don't have to be building a $250,000 show car to reap the benefits of hiring a designer. Most of the mods shown only cost [Jeff] time and sweat. We work to any budget.



G-body, dude, you're not making many friends here. That Blue/silver cuda Jason designed is one of my all-time favorite Mopars! I don't know how you can publically criticize a guy so harshly who's got the credentials, client list or magazine coverage he has most definitely earned. I'd be less inclined to chime in on this if I knew Jason lacked modesty and wasn't the class act he is. If I remember correctly, this was his idea to donate the artwork. That speaks volumes of his character. I'll leave it at that before my big mouth gets me in trouble! :D

kennyd 12-06-2006 06:56 AM

jason keep up the good work .

Ummgawa 12-06-2006 08:21 AM

I was waiting to meet someone at a SEMA booth my last day in Vegas. I was talking to my contact when up walks Jason. I met him a few nights before at Sandlin's gig and expressed my admiration for his work as I am a fan. He thanked me for the complement and moved on. Of course I thought "Eccentric Artist", and I am totally cool with that. When we met for the second time, however, I found Jason to be a friendly, engaging and enthusiastic individual who was totally complementary of others work in designing cars. From 20 minutes of conversation I met a man who is confident in his work and I was duly impressed. We have subsequently spoke a time or two and I have found him to be a professional worthy of the praise and the acolaides he has recieved.

It takes a real simpleton to cut someone elses efforts. It takes a genuine A-hole to try to Gut someone like a fish for no good reason. Alot of us here consider this place home. Ripping people here is like takin' a dump in the fancy Powder room at a family reunion and not flushing. Its just rude man.

Jason, You da man. :thumbsup:

G-Body 12-06-2006 08:26 AM

OK Guys lets not have to get out the heart paddles .....CLEAR.. lol one can have an opion to a design i stated mine and thats that but as for the cuda it is a nice ride some things i do like on the car console is unique not big on that funky ass air cleaner but neat car and my beef isnt with Jason dont know him sounds like he's a good guy just not impressed with his sckethes and renderings if that affends him sorry just saying what most will not besides this is a forum right or do we all have to stand around and hold hands ! dont mean to affend just stating an opion

camcojb 12-06-2006 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-Body
OK Guys lets not have to get out the heart paddles .....CLEAR.. lol one can have an opion to a design i stated mine and thats that but as for the cuda it is a nice ride some things i do like on the car console is unique not big on that funky ass air cleaner but neat car and my beef isnt with Jason dont know him sounds like he's a good guy just not impressed with his sckethes and renderings if that affends him sorry just saying what most will not besides this is a forum right or do we all have to stand around and hold hands ! dont mean to affend just stating an opion

This thread was asking for your favorite rendering; not your opinion of any of the artists who volunteered their time to do a rendering. We have a no bashing policy here and it is enforced.

You're welcome to have and share your opinion of the designs, but not your opinions of the people themselves. Even in your explanation/apology you have to get another dig or two in on Jason. That part of your opinion isn't allowed or welcomed here. If that's an issue then maybe you need to hang out elsewhere.

Jody

Ummgawa 12-06-2006 08:53 AM

Dude

The general tone of your responce leaves a lot to be desired. Plenty of folks have expressed "Their opinion" here. Freedom of speech and all that. Go rip folks elsewhere.

XcYZ 12-06-2006 09:01 AM

Anyways, the voting is going well and the poll is open to the 15th.

The renderings will stay on the s-Curve page so they will always be easy to find as the project takes off.

3kidsnotime 12-06-2006 09:07 AM

Went to the DMV monday put in a request for new plates, "S Curve" we get 7 letter option here. :)

JayR 12-06-2006 09:19 AM

Thanks everybody. All of you other than G-Body are the reason I'm on this forum so often. Some people just love to hate and use public forums to do it anonymously. Classy!
And G-Body, that "funky ass air cleaner" is a shaker scoop. You can see it clearly on the cover of Hot Rod.....

Done with that BS and back to the real reason for this thread: Z-Bugger has the right attitude. You found something you loved in every design and normally that's how the process works with a few drafts.
And Ben is right on the money in the explanation that hiring a designer is a worthy investment to any project of any budget. More often than not, we will increase the impact of a vehicle while still maintaining the budget.

Kris Horton 12-06-2006 10:38 AM

I agree that Allen really has the right idea (scary though that may be) in that each design has its ups and its downs and that maybe combining some of them could be the way to go. It may still happen. I'm sure that the outcome of this thread, while very influential, will not put a gun to Jeff's head when it comes to finalizing the car.

Jason, there are always going to be haters, especially on the internet. You have no need to defend your work and your client list and portfolio prove that, but I'm preaching to the choir on this one. Good job not letting negative comments get you down and good work on the design. :thumbsup:

Kris


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