how much better would dse stuff make my car?
 

does anyone know if any tests have been done were they have taken a stock camaro tested it and then afterward gave it the total dse treatment such as sub frame, quadra link, sub frame connectors, mini tubs and some bad tires and then subjected it to the same tests. im just curious to know how much better a total pro touring camaro is than a stocker.

A HUGE difference. I do not think there has been any before and after test, it would be like testing a Chevette against a Corvette!

Exactly! I drove a 68 camaro in stock form for years as a youngster, now I have a car with a DSE sub, connectors, and g bar. WOW is all I have to say. I never imagined it would handle so well but ride so nice.

Tires are one of the biggest advancements in modern time… but all that other stuff helps as well…

you will never get test results form any of the vendors..... I have tried. So dont bother. My advice to you is to go to some of the events and see and drive for yourself.

James make a great point. Stock vs Modded is a waste. Stock with 17 inch wheels and good rubbber a G Mod and good springs and shocks -Vs- a one with another 10K in Mods would be a more worth while comparison as tires and wheels will make a big diff right off the bat.

I don't see how stock vs modded is a waste. Plenty of cars with stock suspension and modern tires running around. I really don't think my BFG's in the late nineties were that much worse than my pilot sports. It is mostly suspension and engineering.

Becasue the differacne betwwn 15" 60 series tires with a massive side wall and 17 or larger with a small sidewall is going to make such a differance you might as well throw the stock test out.

Here is a real test take a car like Carl C's and run it agains the DSE test car with the same HP/Torque

My 67 had a lot of the upgrades that you've mentioned and a few more. Vegas69 and I have done a lot of running around together and his car would just flat out run away from me in the twists and turns. The suspension makes a huge difference! My next car will get the full treatment.

I'm not looking for a pissing match with you lexustech. I've read your thoughts on modding 1 gen suspension many times on various forums. I was simply trying to answer the posters question since I have spent many enjoyable miles behind the wheel of both scenarios. I am willing to go out on a limb here and say my 68 camaro would have still handled horribly and road like a lumber wagon with modern pilot sports. Thanks Curtis:thumbsup: Andy called me Friday and started to harrass me but we ended up tallking about cars for 30 minutes.

Andy is a great guy. Looking forward to his car arriving and doing a tour around the lake with you. Wish I could have seen the look on your face when he introduced him self.

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