69 Camaro subframe channel to lower
 

Has anyone ever considered moving the front subframe up into the body to lower the front end without changing suspension geometry. I know there are many other things to consider as we do this to trucks all the time. It would be nice to not have that frame hanging below the body also. Just curious if anyone has ever seen it or have any info on it at all. Thanks

Project Unfair is done this way, they moved the entire floor pan up and then attached the sub in the normal manor with out body mounts i think.

Thanks I will check that out.

They just raised the whole floor up 1" and used a reg aftermarket subframe looks like. I was thinking just channeling the floor and raising the frame into it apprximately 2" from its current location or even weld the subframe into the body. Any thoughts people?

What you will run into is clearance issues, trans tunnel, hood clearance, etc. You could raise the floor pan a inch and run no subframe bushings, and have about a 2" upward location of the subframe, but its gonna take mods to the firewall, trans tunnel, pedal location will have to be adjusted, along with making sure the motor will clear the hood when closed. Physically it can be done, but my next question would be why?

I intend on channeling mine for phase 3 build. The nice thing about channeling is you will be able to keep suspension travel. I'm only doing 1 1/2". I'm going to raise the front radiator support mounts up, lower the mid mount, and fab for rear mount then hat channel it in. Depending on what steering set up you have you may have to customize. If your running a stock brake booster it may hit valve covers so you need to decide what your going to exchange that with and there are many options. The front fender wells will need to be cut where they meet the frame. Your hood will drop closer to your motor, LS might be OK. Your going to have to raise trans tunnel and may have to channel for exhaust system. Wait, it gets better, depending on tires, wheels, and backspace, you may have to stretch fenders and quarter panels. I want to keep my track width so thats where I'm headed. I probably left a couple of things out that have to do with firewall dropping but you get the idea.

Buy yourself a Corvette and save 100k. :unibrow:

Brings to mind a statement I even say to myself sometimes.

Just because you can... doesn't mean you should.

You can get these cars plenty low without all the hassle you're going to run into.

x2 :thumbsup:

What he said...

My car is pretty low. It has DSE's half-height bushings/mounts and that is about as much hassle as I would be willing to go through. If my car had huge wheels it would look just like Doug's. Which brings me to my next point, if you just want a killer stance Doug's car, which you can search for by the title "Apollo 13" proves that you don't need to go wild trying to move the subframe up. For non competitive events our cars both do fine. I don't notice the suspension bottoming out, or really have any other related problems. Basically the subframe height has never been an issue. Exhaust clearance, however, is the problem. And you're going to have problems unless you raise the floor, and if you do, you better pick out your seats, pedals, and steering column to accommodate you because you're likely going to have a lack of headroom.

Matt