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Malice 06-04-2013 07:09 PM

What's to choose
 
Looking at an art morrison chassis for a 67 camaro. i saw you can choose between a triangulated four-bar or three-link rear suspension. Can someone tell me the difference between the two and what to choose? What are the features and benefits of each?

Ron Sutton 06-04-2013 07:56 PM

Assuming both types of rear suspensions are set-up correctly, similar rod ends, spaced away from brackets properly with high misalignment bushings & clocked correctly ... A 3-link suspension will allow the rear axle to articulate more (roll angle in relation to frame) than a 4-link.

They both will bind at some point of articulation. A 4-link will bind at a much lower degree of angle difference than a 3-link, all things being equal.

"Parallel 4-links" & 3-links require a device to keep the rear end centered in the chassis, like a panhard bar or watts link. A triangulated 4-link does not require this, as the bars running at an angle keep the rear end in the location you put it. There are pros & cons both ways.

A triangulated 4-link is simpler. It could be argued it will handle more torque under hard launches, but if you were going to drag race it with slicks, you want want a Parallel 4-link, not a triangulated 4-link.

3-links can handle drag racing up to a point, but it wouldn't be my choice if the car was planned for 800+ hp, high rpm, clutch dropping, slick running, wheelie pulling launches ... as there are only 2 rod ends "pulling" to lift the whole car. :ohsnap:

A suspension with a panhard bar or watts linkage ... "can" allow for easy roll center changes, if the brackets allow for adjustment. :D (Most kits sold do not have adjustment capabilities) :headscratch:

So, for the best road racing, track car, or AutoX car, the 3-link has the advantage. For drag racing, the advantage goes to the Parallel 4-link.

For a "cruiser/driver" that will only occasionally see the track, the triangulated 4-link may be fine. Not better, just simpler.

Make sense now?

Greg from Aus 06-04-2013 08:24 PM

Ron you really have a great knack at explaining things, I went for a combination of the two, from Morrison's, a 5 bar set up, that can be switched between 4 link and 3 link.

Ron Sutton 06-04-2013 08:32 PM

Thanks. One of my friends said, Ron is a race car designer that did not go to engineering school, so he speaks "guy".

I think it was a compliment, but I'm not 100% sure.

Greg, I saw your set-up & love it. With 6 bolts, you can go from optimum drag set up to optimum cornering setup.

Malice 06-04-2013 08:52 PM

I think that's decides it. I think I'm going a 3-link. Thanks for the help. That explained it very well.

Ron Sutton 06-04-2013 08:55 PM

Cool,

Post photos of your build or changes to keep us in the loop.

Malice 06-07-2013 12:01 PM

3 Attachment(s)
This is currently my build right now.

Flash68 06-07-2013 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 484426)
Thanks. One of my friends said, Ron is a race car designer that did not go to engineering school, so he speaks "guy".

I think it was a compliment, but I'm not 100% sure.

Ron, love that quote!

And thanks for your continued sharing of knowledge on this forum. Cheers

Ron Sutton 06-07-2013 05:09 PM

Malice,

That is a sweet Camaro you're starting with. :thumbsup:

Start a project build thread once you get going. We all enjoy seeing what other people are doing too.

Take care.

Ron Sutton 06-07-2013 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 484961)
Ron, love that quote!

And thanks for your continued sharing of knowledge on this forum. Cheers

Thanks. I like to help, when it's something I'm knowledgeable & experienced in, which is usually performance & fabrication areas.

I also like to learn from the guys on this site, in areas my knowledge & experience are weak, which is usually aesthetics & style stuff.


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