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McssGmachine 08-21-2006 05:21 PM

Lsx swap?
 
What do I need to control this thing? I already have a old school small block with an old F.A.S.T system. Can I use that computer? What do I need for the ignition? The motor is going to make upwards of 575hp. What kind of fuel system do I need to run?

Thanks

ahowudoin 08-21-2006 07:31 PM

Lots of info at ls1tech.com goto the conversion section

nitrorocket 08-28-2006 07:36 AM

I would recommend the stock ls1 computer. Has way more options and is much better then a F.A.S.T. system. :)

olds87 08-28-2006 02:11 PM

What kind of LSx engine you are think of?

McssGmachine 08-29-2006 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrorocket
I would recommend the stock ls1 computer. Has way more options and is much better then a F.A.S.T. system. :)

What options does the stock ECU provide over the F.A.S.T system?

McssGmachine 08-29-2006 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olds87
What kind of LSx engine you are think of?

I want to go with a 402. I'm not sure who I'm going with to build it.

nitrorocket 08-29-2006 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McssGmachine
What options does the stock ECU provide over the F.A.S.T system?


Boy, where to start!

Features over what F.A.S.T. does:

-Full 4L80, 4L60 transmission control
-Simultanious Closed/open loop control
-Auto tuning ability
-Torque managment ability
-Speedometer reading input
-Boost and nitrous control without having to upgrade
-Has much more advanced engine malfunction readings like individual cylinder misfires, knock retard conrols to eliminate engine damage from bad fuel, etc.
- Multiple fan on off control and fan after run features.

I cannot think of the rest but there are a ton more controls then you have with a F.A.S.T system. Bigstuff 3 has a lot of nice features though.

camcojb 08-29-2006 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitrorocket
Boy, where to start!

Features over what F.A.S.T. does:

-Full 4L80, 4L60 transmission control
-Simultanious Closed/open loop control
-Auto tuning ability
-Torque managment ability
-Speedometer reading input
-Boost and nitrous control without having to upgrade
-Has much more advanced engine malfunction readings like individual cylinder misfires, knock retard conrols to eliminate engine damage from bad fuel, etc.
- Multiple fan on off control and fan after run features.

I cannot think of the rest but there are a ton more controls then you have with a F.A.S.T system. Bigstuff 3 has a lot of nice features though.

That would depend on the stock ECU I guess. MY GTO computer didn't have many of those features; no nitrous or boost control, no trans control (had a separate computer for that), and no fan controls for off/on other than how fast it spins.... you could not change when it came on.

This was an LS2 and I know the LS1 does have fan controls. Never seen a factory ecu have a boost controller or nitrous setting though. The auto tuning comes from the individual tuning system you use to tune with (additional $500-$700 you need to spend so you can tune the stock computer).

One other consideration I had was full throttle closed loop operation with a boosted engine. The factory will not do that and FAST and Big Stuff 3 (as well as some others) will. Nice safety feature in my opinion as it can add fuel under WOT if needed to get to your target A/F (assuming your fuel mapping is within 25% of where it's supposed to be).

By the way, the FAST and BigStuff 3 have nitrous controllers; the BS3 also has an optional boost controller and trans controller.

Jody

nitrorocket 08-29-2006 09:24 AM

From what I have heard the BS3 in very nice. Total cost to keep the stock ls1 PCM tuned is about $1000 with the best software and a wideband. Both major software supliers now offer the autotuning feature. THey do NOT offer boost contolling that controls boost, I should have clarified. For boost above 105 KPA, you can control full timing retard based on boost pressure as well as afr control jsut the same as the main VE table.

Benifits you will get from the aftermarkets are tune on the fly(This option is now available now for the ls1 pcm for an additional $800), and wide band control under WOT like camcojb mentioned.

Its all what you want. I went with the stock pcm for cost and I wasn't happy with the Gen 7 I had on my last motor. I also wanted to be able to run a electronic trans. If you want the ultimate, go BS3.

McssGmachine 08-29-2006 01:04 PM

Thanks for the replys! I don't really need boost or nitrous controls, I'm a NA guy.

Jody, Your 402 was built buy W2W right? Keep us updated when you get it running. :)


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