agree with Bill here, what is amazing to me still is the car enthusiast that is used to going to swap meets and know how to deal, but they get to a dealership and they get mad at the price of a car they don't intend to buy, remember you don't own that car the dealer does, and the dealer sets the price, so it is very easy to shop for a car, know what you want to pay and make an honest offer and tell the salesman that you will buy it at your offer, just like at the swap meet, YOU MAKE AN HONEST OFFER! and if they say YES you BETTER be ready to hold your end of the deal!
BTW you may be told NO, so say thank you and be on your way OR, UP your offer.
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