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Originally Posted by David Pozzi
I think the Heidt second gen will change some minds, but it will take some time. Their second gen sub uses a taller spindle and works very well. I don't recall what the difference is between their second and first gen subs is. I'd rate a DSE sub as my favorite, I like Morrisons sub a lot, as well as the 21'st Century sub in Bad Penny. Jake's sub is doing very well. The Speed tech sub can use stock parts or aftermarket parts for a stock sub. Could save you money if you already have purchased some A arms, etc.
I do like a modded stock sub and will probably use one on my 67 which I'm finally working on this year. I think the only issue on a stock sub is how wide a front tire you will run and how much modifying you want to do on the inner wheel wells to fit them. On a first gen Camaro, a 275/17 can be fit, CarlC did it, but he runs a very streetable ride height. On a much lower car, It might not fly. A 69 Camaro has 1" to 1.5" more width so maybe more leeway to get it done. If you are happy with a 245 front, then the stock sub is an easy route, but that size tire is going to cost you a little time on the track or autocross, - a few tenths. For competition use, a sub with easily accessable coil over shocks, and splined end antiroll bars is a plus. Light weight spindles and A arms help both on the street and track, but the driver and a lot of other things will make more difference.
Mary did like the Heidt Camaro a lot, it was easy to drive and went fast, it felt a lot like the DSE car. Mary didn't like the feel of the steering box Heidt used.
David
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I could not agree with you more and I respect your opinion alot. The fact remains just like you said these guys have alot of time to educate the general public before the will get out from behind the stereotype that they have created and promoted for 20 years. Front suspensions and bolt ons have come a long long ways in the last few years. The marketing that these companies have done and continue to say things like 0 bumpsteer which are not possible. There is going to be something. I'm still of the mind that the best modification you can do to your car is the cheapest, learn how to drive. Then put sticky tires on there. Then you can modify the suspension. 99% of the cars on this site will never be pushed far enough to even be able to tell the difference. The thing about all this auto cross testing is that the race track is a totally different enviorment as far as speeds and forces encountered. You can only tell so much at 35mph.
These subframe comparisons are really just pisssing matches, you could put a solid driver behind the wheel of junk and rookie beginner behind the wheel of the most race prepped car on the planet and the skilled driver will kill them. Everyone knows that the tech install stories are biased, just cuz it is in the magazine does not mean it will be as great as they say. I have done Alot of tech article and can tell you it is about the advertising dollars not about the product. Companies that want to prove something need to put their products in builders hands and see what they say after the install and after they have driven it on the track. I'm building a shop camaro right now to test some of the things I sell and to have a way to show people how things work. When your building a car it is a kind of unknown as to how it will really work until you get it to take it around the block and start tuning on it.
So anybody want to send me their suspension, before I build my own to go behind the 67 Camaro we started on a few weeks ago.
