Thanks for the replys, that deffinately gives me some ideas on how to check it. I will also look for that Bob bolles article. What I originaly tried to do was turn the wheel all the way in one direction untill it stopped on the lower a-arm, then measured tire to tire. Then I did it the other way and took the same measurement. I was hoping if there was a difference right to left I would find the measurement would change if the ackermann changed. It seemed to be within a 16th of an inch, but I just checked quickly since I didn't even know if this would tell me anything at all. I had all these other little issues along the way, I didn't even think about this untill it was mentioned last night in another thread. Thanks again for the help.