I have pics of the DSE headers in the DSE sub and can click off a few pics for you if that would help--I can tell you they fit like they should and only slightly hang below the subframe at the collector flange. Ground clearance was a huge item for me---I was thinking shorty headers, but didn't want to give up the HP/TQ. I got mine for 2k---that's quite a grip for a set of headers, i'll be the first to agree.
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