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Originally Posted by GregWeld
Romney and I are in complete agreement on just giving up on the 47%... Why bother? You're not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you.
There's just not much conversation to be had when one's view is that the glass is empty and the other guys is that it's full.
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But who are the 47%? People talk about insults here but I want to understand. I get that the feeling is too many people get free stuff or want free stuff from the government, but how do we arrive at the 47% figure, and how do we arrive at everyone who voted for Obama, wants free stuff and/or is poor, things stated repeatedly here.
Certainly some part of the 47% gets a check and is not or has not been a contributing member of society but most paid or provided service, and they pay taxes like anyone else.
Some percentage of that 47% is included because of the bush tax cuts, which pushed 8 million people completely off the tax rolls. The current talks are unlikely to change that because neither democrats nor republicans will go so far as to let them all expire forever, but it's worth noting where some of it comes from. The lesson from that is that you can't cut taxes, and then complain that some people dropped off from paying taxes.
Now let's talk rationally about the idea that only poor people who want stuff from Obama. If you look at the exit polls, from Fox news for example (seriously the first google result, not commenting anything about it), you'll see that Obama got at least 42% support from all income levels.
He did get strong support from those making < 30k, but is everyone making under 30k poor liberal garbage? Or is it more likely that it's generally comprised of young people who simply make < 30k now? For example they are in college. Young people voted at nearly the same percentage as "poor" people, so it's something to consider that they are likely one and the same group.
Essentially, around 45% of "rich" people supported Obama. Are those people part of the 47%?
I agree to an extent about government waste, people getting checks for nothing, and so forth, but you cannot complain about broad labels and attacking different groups like the rich, and then go and do that exact same thing, labeling those who think different than you as poor, stupid, etc.