
07-19-2013, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by carbuff
In a similar vein to the TW / WB ratio question, at what point would having a wider front TW compared to the rear TW start to decrease handling performance? Or stated a different way, is there such thing as too much front TW compared to the rear?
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In case new people drop in on our conversation, track width is center of tread to center of tread. Tread width is outside tread to outside tread (not the sidewall).
I don’t think of track width difference as decreasing handling performance. I think of it as a tuning tool … if the track width is adjustable … or a tuning challenge if it is too far biased on one end and NOT adjustable.
While there are exceptions to almost every rule, I typically don’t want to see the track width difference more than 1” on either end. Even that can be a challenge if it the difference is the wrong direction.
Within reasonable differences making the front track width wider than the rear … or the rear wider than the front can be a practical tuning tool. Making the front track width wider than the rear = tightens the car … too much makes it push. Wider rear track width than front track width = frees the car … too much makes it loose.
Put even more simply, regardless of what is going on at the other end …
a. Moving the front tires out tightens the car.*
b. Moving the front tires in frees the car.*
c. Moving the rear tires in tightens the car.
d. Moving the rear tires out frees the car.
*Note: Adding spacers to the front hubs, increases the scrub radius. So when I can use … either adjustable LCA’s … or simply replace the LCA’s for the track width I want … that is how I prefer to do it, versus adding wheel spacers to the front. I have used wheel spacers in the front many, many times. It’s just not my preferred method. Sometimes class rules dictate the decision.
A LOT of racers use small (1/8” to 1”) wheel spacers to tune … and in fact, many design & build their rear end & front hub combination with spacers as a part of it, so they can be removed to go “in” if needed … and of course, go “out” with more spacer as needed.
For the car I designed for myself with an AutoX priority, the lower control arms use adjustable threaded ends to allow up to 3/4” width change per side … 1.5” total track width adjustment, without affecting the scrub radius. With 335 tires on all 4 corners, my “standard track width” is 55” front & 54.5” rear. I can adjust the front from 54” to 55.5” without spacers.
The rear end in my car will “start” with spacers that can be removed & of course, spacers can be added, for a 2” adjustable track width range in the rear from 53.5” to 55.5” As far as spacers go, I prefer to use them on the rear end only, so as not to affect the scrub radius.
Additional tips: For cars with “high travel/low roll” suspension strategies, the front to rear “track width split” favoring the front works best. For cars with “low travel/high roll” suspension strategies, the front to rear track width split favoring the rear works best.
If your car is already “designed & built” … and the track width is a wider in the front, that will “contribute” to the car being tight/pushy a degree. If the track width is a narrower in the front, that will “contribute” to the car being free/loose to a degree. I use the word contribute, because there are a lot of other suspension & geometry factors affecting the grip at each end of the car. If the track width is not adjustable at either end, you will need to tune with roll center, springs & sway bars to balance the car.
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