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Old 07-23-2014, 02:18 PM
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In the image above, the holes drilled didn't quite line up, so Scotts shop just cranked the thread cutting bolts up on an angle! Problem solved!

I also want to make it clear that I did not want to have to make this thread, as it appeared Scott was a popular member on the boards. I have put a number of hours into trying to sort this out with him, to avoid putting another cross against his name in this feedback forum. He has admitted to making some mistakes which is great, but so far he has failed to make any reasonable attempt to make it right. I have given Scott a lot of patience, along with a number of potential solutions on how we can sort this out without damaging his reputation. Most if not all of these solutions were largely in his favor, and still resulted in me being out of pocket well over a thousand $$$ in shipping and taxes. He did make some offers to repair or replace, I wasn't terribly enthusiastic about that idea, so we then agreed on a partial refund. He then changed the details of the refund, then retracted the offer, then told me he was broke. After telling me he was broke and had no money, he then wanted me to send the clip back to him at my cost first (funny as I sent the money to him in full, up front, via Paypal) so I'd be out more $$ and run the risk of him crying poor and/or changing his mind again when it came to the transfer of any partial refund.




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What follows is the “long version” (for those that are interested) that clarifies a number of the other issues and circumstances surrounding my experience with Scott Mock/Chubbys Welding (that’s the business name on my invoice).

On the 23rd of April 2013 I paid Scott Mock $5350 USD in full, up front, via Paypal, for one of his weld-in A Body clips and all the C6 components to go with. This was followed up by a payment of $220 USD on the 7th June 2013 for an F Body Pan kit to suit the subframe, paid in full, in advance. The build time discussed was about a month, but unfortunately due to a number of hold ups at Scott’s end, and a number of unanswered emails and anxious moments from mine, it finally arrived at my shipper in CA on the 22nd of July – albeit without the requested invoice needed to get it out of the country. We did get there in the end however.

***Scott has only just told me in the last email I received (06.29.2014), that apparently Paypal held the funds for the clip for 21 days. Apparently this was another one of the “reasons” for the delay. I had also been told he was “busy in a one man shop” (yet at a later stage he blamed the shoddy work on my clip on one of his employees) other Lateral G members had “called favor’s in early”, and he chose to see to them first “my part’s guy is on leave, doing inventory and then he was away racing”..etc etc….. He did tell me Paypal held up the funds for the oil pan for 14 days. I actually told Scott that I would pay extra to ship the pan later, if he would just send my clip now, or at least send some images of the progress, or update one his threads with the progress. None of which happened, so I suspect the clip wasn’t at the stage I was being told it was***

I paid an extra $500+ for mandrel bent rails to suit/match my Art Morrison rear mandrel rails. AFTER the clip had left his shop, Scott emailed me to tell me I wasn't going to get the mandrel rails I had paid for, and that he had made CNC cut and welded rails with a wider 5 x 2 rear section to weld to the frame. Would have been nice to know. The CNC rails may have worked out okay (still not what I wanted, ordered and paid for – I don't need the 5 x 2 for my build), but they'd need to be rectangular and straight for a start. I was anxiously awaiting something, anything to show for my money so there was no way I wanted it going back to Scott for mandrel rails resulting in even more delay. I just accepted it and figured I'd just have to make it work - at that point I wasn't yet aware of any of the other issues.







Upon inspection when it arrived, there was one or two things that obviously weren't up to scratch and weren't "as advertised", but they appeared fixable/able to be modified with under about 10 hours fab/re-design work. After 3 months of anguish I was relieved to at least have something to show for my $5350 + shipping, + taxes (just over $7000 USD worth to me, landed here). I was mentally spent on the whole experience and figured I'd just have it fixed here. It's not like sending the clip back to Scott was a practical solution.

I then contacted Scott upon its arrival in New Zealand as he had incorrectly supplied a cheaper muscle car pan kit, instead of an F body pan kit. Scott told me he "thought it was the same" as the F body kit (after 50 + subframe sales at that stage) which I then accepted his explanation and had to sell it at a loss. When this was brought up later, Scott told me I should have given him a part number…….something I would have done if I had any reason to believe he didn't know better.

Beyond the control of myself, or Scott, I then had a health issue which prevented me from getting to work on the car as soon as I would have liked. The clip sat for another 7 or so months before I was in a condition to look at it again. Fast forward to March this year and I thought my builder and I would look at installing it. We cut the front of my frame up and did a rough mock-up. The following evening, I came across another feedback thread on Scott, and my heart sank. I'd never have thought to measure if the thing was square, I mean, why on earth wouldn't it be…he told me this clip would be jigged?

The clip rails are 3/4 of an INCH, out of parallel. The crossmember, which the LCA's mount off is 1/6 of an INCH out of square with the rails. It became obvious that the car won't have a hope of driving straight installed as is. On top of that, once I had the clip DA'd and could see the perspective of Scott’s handmade CNC rails, you could then make out that they varied in height and width and were not even rectangular.



In reference to the above pic, if you can see it with the naked eye you know it won’t be hidden on the alignment machine.
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