This post is probably going to start a firestorm but here it goes. Today I was at work and a friend of mine got on the discussion of old cars with new technology vs new cars. The conversation basically went like this. I was telling him about a car here on this form that was pulling 1.12 G's on the skid pad. His comment back to me was that new cars such as say the 04 Cobra for his example could always out handle any old muscle car with anything you put on it. His argument was that the cars were using old outdated designs. I had pointed him to the DSE site. Of course his response was that anything that was made 38 years ago was designed with a unfixable flaw. (I can see already everybody frothing at the mouth.) I had tried to explain to him that most of the aftermarket stuff that was out already had been designed recently. My 1st example was the new DSE sub-frame for the Camaro. I told him that the frame was designed to hold larger front wheels and was hydro-formed and that Hydro-forming was the current trend in the automotive industry. I had explained to him that these frames also were available with rack and pinion. He also had a problem understanding that if you were using 2006 brakes on your old car that it would stop as good as the 2006 vehicle because the rest of the parts were 38 years old. I told him that as far as handling goes you could easily out perform the Cobra by changing certain items. R compound tires were added in there to help him understand how they could help stop the car that was running 13" front and 12" back disc brakes with hydro-boost (thanks Paul at Hydatech). I also tried to explain that the geometry on some of the vehicles had been corrected such as ATS spindles. Anyways I would like some of your input. (Let me duck 1st before you start firing away.) Thanks.