First off, thanks for the responses! They have helped so far, and hopefully I can quantify my questions a little more and help narrow some things down!
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Originally Posted by GregWeld
I just noticed that you plan to install an "Idiot Column"..... PERFECT! LOL spelling error due to computer's autocorrect lol
Okay - being totally serious here. You've got all manor of good parts and an exceptional motor choice. You're parts list and list of work is well short on many items that WILL add costs - and shouldn't be underestimated. understood, and I have considered those and they are in his email to me and in our discussions, I just haven't listed them individually here and was hoping for consideration on these ancillary parts when throwing an estimated number at itFor instance - there's no mention of the new rear end that will be required. Either your 12 bolt will need narrowing - or you'll be buying the standard new Ford 9" - narrowed. I mentioned it in my list under "DSE 9"" as it will already come narrowed, brackets welded on and powder coated
People ALWAYS underestimate the amount of little things... Such as - once you pull the fenders and front end off the car - and really take a look at just how FUGLY the firewall is on these cars... you'll want to smooth that (already in your bid). Then once that's smoothed - the inner fenders look FUGLY - so you'll have those smoothed and painted (not mentioned). agreed to a degree, my goal for this car isn't to be a show stopper or SEMA car, but a car that looks like a 2016 version of a 69 Camaro that can be driven and used without concern for getting a scratch or a knick in the paintThen the hinges are crap - so you'll need Ring Brothersmay send new hinges or keep the stock ones as they are new with the restoration a few years ago... And when you change out the tranny for a more modern version (such as your already listed T56) - you'll find your console doesn't work anymore... no console in the car currently, and no plan for one
Now - you'll also get up under the dash and (maybe) find that you have 47 year old wiring... and you're trying to find a home for a couple ECU's and their associated relays etc.... so plan to do a full wiring upgrade. Not to mention the addition of your Vintage Air.... that means the entire dash is already out of the car - so might as well clean everything up. And you'll also find that your "AstoVents" don't seal outside air anymore - so those have to be fixed - or better yet, eliminated. consideration for this is included in his quote
Do you want your "Stainless exhaust" TIG welded or just butchered with a MIG machine? Do you want them to go up over the axle? Clear that old gas tank? Nope - you need a new gas tank with the proper pumps and billet vents...gas tank included if you will notice, and no doubt they would TIG weld the exhaust. the shop I am dealing with is extremely reputable, I just haven't mentioned them because I have nothing negative to say and don't want it to cloud anyones judgement
I'm not trying to be negative here at all.... I'm being REALISTIC. You're already complaining about the proposed bid. That tells me you're not educated on what you're getting in to. I'm just trying to give you a realistic "heads up".I am educated to a point, and I am not complaining. my question has to do with how many hours because I believe it could be done for half the labor hours that he has quoted or less based on talking to others, but you guys are more of an expert than me and those that I have talked to.
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Originally Posted by Vega$69
Here you go based on doing several 69s PT cars.. Having the car painted already will add additional time. Hours included removing the original parts. These estimated hours may or not be what a shop charges and depends on how many guys they have working on your car. I understand working around existing paint takes additional time, but still costs less than a total repaint. as far as removing old parts, I am planning to do that myself although he quoted me on me driving the car to them as it sits and them doing the tear down and installation. No doubt I will save labor by bringing him a rolling chassis.
LS7/T56 magnum swap and assorted wiring involved and tunnel work, among other things involved (radiator, driveshaft, headers, etc) 24 hours
DSE front subframe 12 hours
DSE body mounts 2 hours
DSE Mini tub 40 hours
DSE QUADRAlink 40 hours
DSE anti-roll bar 2 hour
DSE subframe connectors inc in quadralink
DSE 9" 8 hours
DSE gas tank 2 hours
DSE dash w/classic instruments gauges 8 hours with wiring
DSE wiper motor 2 hours
DSE firewall fill plate w/firewall painted 10-12 hours
Vintage Air 12 hours
DSE Roll cage 24 hours
DSE Master cylinder/brake booster2 hours
Baer 6P brakes front and rear8 hours
bolt on wheels/tires I will supply otherwise as they are not a dealer for what I am wanting
Idiot column 2 hours but I would use a GM Tilt insteadGood to know on the GM tilt, I will inquire
Stainless exhaust $2000
Ok that comes to 135 hours not including all the little stuff in between like running brake lines, fuel lines, put the car back together like the front clip, grill bumpers, interior and on and on.
So now take the 160 hours and double it to 320 hours and you'll be close. Good to know
Plus you've not considered the installation and subsequent removal for paint/powder coating and reinstallation of a lot of the components the plan is that most stuff will be powder coated from DSE (9", QUADRAlink, subframe, etc so hopefully nothing will have to be mocked up and torn back down. Obviously the firewall will need to be painted and the roll cage, subframe connectors, and the underneath, etc
My last car I bought as a painted roller with the DSE quadralink, F9, tubs and roll bar already installed and the firewall smoothed. I spent 400-500 hours finishing the car. Also good to know, that is still significantly less than the number of hours quoted.
All in I would plan on $40K-$50K for the complete job plus parts
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