[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by mfain

I too have been reluctant to comment. I like both parties involved but, in my opinion what began as a cheerful, good faith effort, was overcome by the realities of trying to build a complete, finished race car (a prototype of sorts) in an unrealistically short period of time.





The time frame was agreed to well in advance and I was assured that while it would be tight --- it was no problem. Ample discussions all along the way about making dates etc ensued - and at each step of the way - there was a "no problem, we got this". And then a half hour of stories about how they built cars in a weekend..... In other words -- lots of stories -- not much substance. They'd NEVER built a car like this.... I knew that and expected all manor of teething pains. This IS NOT MY FIRST GOAT RODEO.





I certainly feel Greg's pain and he has fulfilled all of his obligations in this contract. On the other hand, the most important part of the car (the chassis and suspension) seems to be rock solid and is the basis for a very fast car.



MAYBE....... but I'm hearing from people that know more and have had nothing but issues with this particular design.....




There are perhaps design issues that need to be dealt with (airflow for cooling, for example) and Ron needs to work with his suppliers to sort out the engine oiling and cooling issues. He owes these things to his customer. The body is your typical aftermarket piece that needs 2 months and $10K worth of work to bring it up to Greg's standards. Proper bodywork was not possible in the time allocated for the build, so it got a hurried, cheap wrap to make an appearance at THill.



NOT FACTUAL ------ The car was supposed to be completely done JUNE 28th --- I allowed it to be done body in white etc for testing -- because I was far more concerned about the mechanicals and set up. There was no info vacuum here --- We (Sutton/Randy/Greg) had lots of phone calls and emails about dates. It involves many more people to make these dates..... and all was planned well in advance.

The car was run body in white --- then was to be disassembled and coated and wrapped..... but PRIOR TO THAT --- we/they KNEW of the oiling issues. NOTHING WAS CHANGED / FIXED..... This is INCOMPETENCE not bad planning on my part.

I was willing and able to make date extensions. It's just a track day -- not a funeral and not a 4th of July show..... Everything was subject to change at a moments notice. No biggie.




Unfortunate, since it gave the impression of a less-than-professional effort. The car really needed another (or perhaps multiple) test and tune to work out the bugs - not at a NASA competitive event. Hopefully Greg and Ron can work out an equitable solution that will benefit both. Best of luck. Pappy

Yes Greg and Ron have worked out an equitable solution --- HE and all his friends are FIRED.... never to see this car again. His name and any and all association with him are zero'd out. Zero F's given. Pappy -- I hope you're not just another victim. Because it sounds to me like you're still a Sutton fanboi. You would not be if you knew all the dirty sordid details. And you should be on the receiving end of the texts, PM's, and emails I've recieved. YOU would have a much deeper understanding of this guys business. It's worse than you can imagine.