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Originally Posted by RT_66_Pro_Touring
I think the disappointment comes from the expectation Blake himself setup in Post #1 of this very thread along with his comments that they never did figure out "Step one":
They went to "Step 3" first. I think I understand why they did. Pieces of "Step 1" are available and the average guy may not see the difference between what is currently available and a quality solution to the platform's issues. However, "Step 3" (while far and away better than any current package) is the complete other end of the cost spectrum from "Step one" for a car that can't justify the expense. Furthermore, they set the expectation for a first offering that was in the middle of the cost range.
I think the 3rd Gen community was hoping for "Step one" and a offering that aligned with the expectation they themselves set: as stated in Post #1 of this very thread.
"Much better" involves a solving the inherent geometry issues of the platform without breaking the bank, which to me, means:
1. High quality shocks that cost at least slightly less than the entire f*'ing car (just saying @DSE)
2. Solving the massive scrub radius, anti-ackerman, front roll center and antiquated steering box issues by simply offering a quality spindle. That alone would be a HUGE money maker for them.
3. Offering the torque arm solution they already have available for other platforms. (This was the only one they offer with this announcement)
Again, I understand offering the Extreme far end of the cost scale first so that the first cars that go out into the wild kick ass, but it is EXTREME. I REALLY do wish I could find even the slightest reason in my mind to justify the expenditure, I cant.
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Time changes ideas and goals changed as we went through the process. The idea of trying to IMPROVE anything that is on the market now with simple bolt on's was just not going to happen, how do you improve the geometry? with a strut? you can move the Lower ball joint forward and out slightly. The scrub again, pretty difficult to make any improvement there when the strut dictates the wheel fitment. We actually looked at using the our Forged spindle with the strut to make some gains but there is just not enough material to safely mount the strut to. Upper caster / camber plates what do you do there, make a fancy little gear to adjust it with, you can only do so much with the factory locations. We did improve the torque arm and added coil overs to the rear. BUT due to the factory set up we had to come up with some way to mount the front of the torque arm. Well we did BUT you need to use both components. The front is a radical departure from what anyone has done. We are confidant there is enough VALUE in the package that it will catch on, But who knows. We will see. To just do what everyone else has done made no practical sense. then it is just becomes
"Well i can get so and so's for this much "
Compare our offering to the other main players in the market.
Let me know if there is any additional Value in our package
Here is how ours breaks down
Front "SUBFRAME" Same components and geometry as the Extreme subframe for a first or second gen 6999.00 yes it needs to weld in but it will be easier than mini tubs!!!
Mid Frame connector kit. includes trans mount and torque arm mount as well as front roll cage mounts and room for long tube headers (yes you need to buy our headers as well Sorry) and dual exhaust.
999.00 you could actually use this all on its own. if a guy was doing it in stages this would be the first part to install.
Torque arm fully bolt in (there is some trimming) and you will need a 9" as all the brackets are designed for the 3" tube also the torque arm mounting billet parts. (again if the 7.5" diff was worth using we may have built parts to mount it) but it is again not worth spending any money on IMO 2999.00
I will apologize if you think I need to, for building a product that ended up to be MUCH more that some of you expected.
I didn't read any post like this when DSE came out with the Mustang program, that was ALL GOOD, not sure I understand what the difference is? You think the same thing will happen when we do Mustang parts??lol
I will make sure to NOT say it will start with bolt in parts !!