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Originally Posted by Payton King
I thought I would throw this out there for discussion. I want to limit this to mid 70's cars and before. There is no question that you can take a new C6Z06 with mild mods or stock for that matter and it will dust about anything we can build.
We all like the older body styles and most on this site and others are trying to build the ultimate pro-tour car. When do you finally get to the point and say...I might as well build a race car and make it street legal?
I am going to be off on these numbers as I am taking a guess. Take a first gen Camaro and put in Lateral Dynamics 3-link. $6000 for the kit and installation. 21st Century sub frame with all the trimmings $6000
Brakes front and rear $3000. Beater 69 for $6000. Cage it, sub frame connectors, replace floors and you are all over $25,000. This is before body work, panel replacement, etc just a roller
Granted that I live in NASCAR country, but I could have a roller built without the cage, to my track width, wheel base. Full floater on the rear with a 3 link. Normal NASCAR style front...for about $8000 minus brakes.
No need for a body. Just drop Dynacorn or whomevers sheet metal over the roller and start hanging panels and building a cage. Depending on how hard core you are, seems like a way to go.
So I pose this question...is this the next step in pro-touring?
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I think you are on track (No Pun Intended). I can buy a complete rolling LMS car for about 6-7K. That includes a quick change, 3 Link, Coil Overs, dry sump system, brakes, seat, power rack, gages, rad, and fuel cell. With my past racing history, this type of car is high on my next project list.
Lets raise a couple eyebrows. There is no reason costs for the same components piece meal for racing should all of sudden double in price when you build a pro-touring street car. I'm talking about spherical rod ends, suspension tubes, shock brackets, BRAKES (This is a big one) etc. Most times when you look at racers, they have some mechanical skill and knowledge that allows them take these components and assemble them into a functional package. It seems companies assume that because they are marketing to the average Joe on the street they can charge high prices for the same components. I understand there is engineering and development that has to be paid for, (I'm an Engineer) but there is with the racing components as well. Look at tubular Camaro lower arms for example, DSE $590 a pair, UB Machine $250. Camaro Uppers, DSE $650, UB Machine $250. I just saved $740 on Control Arms alone. These are not "Matched/Engineered Kits" just control arms? These are just a couple of examples that seem a bit rediculous to me. It seems right now with this hobby if you build a product and market it as the latest greatest cool part someone will pay whatever it takes to get it. Although I just can't get over the control arms. Circle track racers have been building and using these for 20+ years, cool yes, latest greatest NO. I'll stop here and trip down off of my soap box. Again, not to upset or offend anyone here trying to make a living selling these parts, just something to think about. Fire Away, I'm ducking behind my mouse!!!!!
