Paddle Shifter for a Tremec 6 Speed

[tyoneal]

To All:

Was surfing through CC and found this like to, "Tiger Racing".

http://www.tiger-racing.com/car_info.html

This guy and his wife are racing fans and he has developed a system of shifting a Tremec 6 Speed Transmission for her that is push button. (She is Handicapped.

It's pretty neat technology. Hopefully something like this can make it's way into the Pro-Touring Crowd.

What are your thoughts?

Ty O'Neal

[kp.touring]

They had a ton of help from Ford, they are using Aston Martin (Ford) pieces for the paddle shifter. Which would cost around 16,000.00 to 20,000.00 for somebody in just parts, then you got to program it to interface with your engine. Fun

Kevin

[mazspeed]

Put it in my car Kevin.

[tyoneal]

Originally Posted by kp.touring

They had a ton of help from Ford, they are using Aston Martin (Ford) pieces for the paddle shifter. Which would cost around 16,000.00 to 20,000.00 for somebody in just parts, then you got to program it to interface with your engine. Fun

Kevin

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Party Pooper!

Just Kidding. I figured it would be pricey, just like HD TV's were 10 Years ago.

Maybe this technology will become cheaper in the future? I hope.

I was reading about the new Paddle Shifted Corvette, and many folks who are familiar with REAL paddle shifters are a bit distressed that it takes .5 - 1.0 Seconds for it to shift once initiated. Still better than it used to be off of a column shift, but sucks for practical track applications.

The guys who were trying to track these felt very uncomfortable going hard into a corner, DownShifting, then not knowing exactly when the downshift would take place.

I wonder how these differentiate themselves in performance from the, "Twist Machine", product? I wrote Steve and asked if he would respond to the issue.

Ty

[TravisB]

master shift makes a paddle for a tremec.....they aren't on the market yet we have one at the shop for a sema car........MAster shift tells us you cant out shift it....as far as quickness

[kp.touring]

The paddle/push button shfted Corvette are 6L80 automatic 6 speeds transmissions. From what I've been told this trans doesn't lend it's selve to any aftermarket apps because of it's "Clutch Driven" design. These transmissions are programmed to work with a preticure engine combo and if you do something different, i.e. more torque the trans and you won't be happy campers.
Mike it is only money, your money!

Kevin

[mazspeed]

Originally Posted by kp.touring

Mike it is only money, your money!

Kevin

Was only fooling after that conversation we had the other day about this very topic. I have enough money into the car.

[Steve Chryssos]

If you want a REAL paddle shifter, I will be glad to oblige: The price starts at $75K above and beyond the cost of a completed car with a standard manual transmission installed for chassis dyno tested. The existing traditional transmission will used to develop the calibration and then be removed and replaced with the sequential manual and related mechatronics. Much of the expense is consumed by labor. And much of the labor will be outsourced, but don't ask me where. I have a ton of time into this process and I'm not willing to just avail it to the entire universe. That information will remain confidential. Any takers will be expected to sign papers. No one has stepped up yet. The MasterShift solution is certainly viable since it excludes mechatronic clutch control. The clutch continues to be modulated by the best computer ever made--the human mind. I make paddle shifters--not trans controllers, so I certainly have nothing against the Mastershift trans controller.

As for the 6L80E, Chevrolet provides an excellent map. Could it be more firm (quicker)? Sure? Does it need to be quicker? Not necessarily. Most end users have unrealistic expectations of how fast an electronic gear change should occur. They immideately expect that every gear change should be lightning quick and flawless. They never stop to analyze how much time is consumed by a gear change with a traditional manual and clutch. Given a comparison, I'm confident that the electronic gear change consumes less overall time. With the current crop of adaptable four speeds, you have quite a bit of tuning flexibility. But most end users go back and soften their maps after actual use.

It's a seemingly endless argument that all comes back to the same conclusion. Hot rods and mechatronics do not mix well because every hot rod is different. The tiger racing website is very clear:

Transmission: Electrohydraulicly controlled, Tremec 6-speed
(Prototype design for racing. Not commercially available or viable for street use.)

[tyoneal]

Originally Posted by streetfytr68

If you want a REAL paddle shifter, I will be glad to oblige: The price starts at $75K above and beyond the cost of a completed car with a standard manual transmission installed for chassis dyno tested. The existing traditional transmission will used to develop the calibration and then be removed and replaced with the sequential manual and related mechatronics. Much of the expense is consumed by labor. And much of the labor will be outsourced, but don't ask me where. I have a ton of time into this process and I'm not willing to just avail it to the entire universe. That information will remain confidential. Any takers will be expected to sign papers. No one has stepped up yet. The MasterShift solution is certainly viable since it excludes mechatronic clutch control. The clutch continues to be modulated by the best computer ever made--the human mind. I make paddle shifters--not trans controllers, so I certainly have nothing against the Mastershift trans controller.

As for the 6L80E, Chevrolet provides an excellent map. Could it be more firm (quicker)? Sure? Does it need to be quicker? Not necessarily. Most end users have unrealistic expectations of how fast an electronic gear change should occur. They immideately expect that every gear change should be lightning quick and flawless. They never stop to analyze how much time is consumed by a gear change with a traditional manual and clutch. Given a comparison, I'm confident that the electronic gear change consumes less overall time. With the current crop of adaptable four speeds, you have quite a bit of tuning flexibility. But most end users go back and soften their maps after actual use.

It's a seemingly endless argument that all comes back to the same conclusion. Hot rods and mechatronics do not mix well because every hot rod is different. The tiger racing website is very clear:

Transmission: Electrohydraulicly controlled, Tremec 6-speed
(Prototype design for racing. Not commercially available or viable for street use.)

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Steve:

Thanks for your insight. I knew you would have good information.

TY