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Old 08-14-2015, 05:07 PM
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My current SBC 406 has roughly 325 ponies and about 400 ft lbs. It runs a stock bottom end with 8.5:1 dished pistons, an XE268 cam, and self ported factory 400 "low performance" smogger heads. This motor is approaching the 100,000 mile mark and although it runs great I am after more power and a beefier bottom end.

I already have a fresh flat top pistoned short block 406 rebuilt and ready to go and was curious how my research compares to you all. The goal is approach 1 hp per cube and 500+ ft lbs to move my 3600 lb wagon around the autocross at a decent speed. I have been looking at bigger cams and budget head options and and like the Vortecs but rebuilding a junkyard set wouldn't save that much over a set of say Summit heads which are $700/pr.

The summit heads are 165 cc intake ports. Obviously small ports create velocity and = torque but 165 sounds really small. Most of my experience in the past has been drag racing and starting with a 200cc runner and porting from there. Those motors also launched at 4500, had a torque peak at 5000 and I shifted at 6500. I want to keep the power band low, like 2500-5500 and hopefully torque will be flat and peak around 3500-4000.

In your experience can a small 165cc port head handle the power goals I'm after?

Anybody know who mfgs Summit's heads? Thanks for insight!

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Old 08-14-2015, 05:21 PM
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Your 165 cc heads will run out of wind about 4800 rpms you need about 210cc intake runners ,AFR heads or Brodix are good.
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Old 08-14-2015, 05:30 PM
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My current motor runs out of breath at 4500. I want to run a bit steeper gear so I'm thinking around 5000-5500 peak would be good. 210 cc sounds big for a lower rpm range torque motor, no? My drag motor seems to pull past 7000 with world products 200 cc heads but with it's cam and all makes little power below 3500.

I like the 195 AFRs but them and and Brodix are not in the budget I want to spend- those ATS spindles sound awfully good when compared to spending more $ for a few extra hp.
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Old 08-14-2015, 08:29 PM
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Heres a NOS set of Vortec heads, 906 stamping. They have never been on an engine. Excellent price, but shipping might be steep. Don't let the Ebay listing scare you. These guys are in North Carolina, and sell mostly new and used race stuff. I've bought from them, and they are legit.
Compression is an easy way to gain power...torque AND horsepower. Your currently pretty mild on the compression side. Raise it up to say 10 or 10.5:1. Keep the intake runners on the smallish side, talk to an engine builder that understands camshaft theory, not just sells camshafts. Talk is usually free, so no harm there. Tune your stuff. I can't say enough about tuning your carb and ignition to work in harmony with each other.

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Tune your stuff. I can't say enough about tuning your carb and ignition to work in harmony with each other.
Amen! I really wonder how much performance has been left on the table or perfectly good parts tossed and replaced because of improper/unknowledgable tunes.

That said obtaining the flow/power numbers are pretty much a mathematical exercise.
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The Vortec heads flow great but machine work needs to be done to them to accept a larger lift cam...and you can be limited on your intake manifold choices when using them as well.

My engine is in the same boat as Bens, 400 ft lbs to the rear tires at 2000 RPM and 300 hp at about 4000 RPM. It starts running out of breath after 5,000 RPM. It's fantastic for smaller tighter autocross courses but is limited on the larger national style courses by the lack of high RPM hp.
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