Somebody FREAKIN shoot me!!!!

[Mkelcy]

Originally Posted by Flash68

We do, of course. And I think it's only going to get worse. Who would thought America's health care system (the worst in the developed world as far as efficiency and cost) could actually decline....

There's an inverse correlation between the extent of the coverage and the cost per patient. Preventive care actually works, and if we provided it to those who are uninsured and who must must use ER services, the overall cost would decline.

[Vegas69]

I'll take this medical thing another direction. Doctors that attempt to mask the problem with a prescription pad instead of find the solution. I've known multiple people that have been turned into near zombies by a prescription pad.

The incentives drug companies offer doctors need to go away.

One of my goals this year was to find a fine doctor that listened and gave a ****. I was successful but it wasn't easy especially with my current insurance which is an HMO. Her practice is fairly new and that was the only way in the door.

Finding quality healthcare is extremely difficult but it's available if you are persistent enough and do your homework.
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In regards to education. Greg is right, they continually pile on more and more and more onto these teachers every year with more kids and the same amount of time. Kelli has her 20 and she get's 2 autistic kids every morning to try to get into the mix. They moved a kid into her class that misbehaves and has been suspended multiple times as the other teacher couldn't handle him. Remember, this is 3rd grade! They need to crack down on the damn parents and kids more effectively. This cancer is why the smart kids are getting inferior educations as they consume to much of the teachers time and energy.

She puts in the hours too, let me tell you. She leaves at 7 and comes home at 5most days. Many nights and weekend time are spent grading papers, doing lesson plans, or buying supplies for the kids that the school doesn't provide. She has a bachelors, masters, +32, plus countless other formal training and pulls down 59k a year. I will say that she's more dedicated and driven than most as education is her passion but far from overpaid even with 3 months off.

[Sieg]

Todd - The compensation system for our schools is interesting as is the expectations placed on the teachers. Our son is TAG and boarder-line Asperger's. The schools here receive no additional funding to accommodate above average IQ students yet state law says they have to make special accommodation. Before confirmation they tested him 2 or 3 times and reported back that he is just below TAG level. We took him to an independent learning center where a long-time friend works for testing and he was full-blown TAG, not even a question.

Our schools receive numerous types of special state and federal funding for below average students yet there is none for above average. I've been told many education systems in EU countries capitalize on above average students with special programs and schools. Our local public system appears to rely on deflection tactics. I would guess it isn't much better across the country.

To compound the education issues with our son in the 4th grade his pediatrician over a 4 week period prescribe him with 3 courses of heavy antibiotics for ear and throat infections which I'm 90+ percent sure lead to his Crone's disease. I have numerous friends who are docs or in the medical field and the body language gets interesting when I mention the medically induced Crone's theory.
FWIW - That doctor was in favor of socialized medical program.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Vegas69

Kelli has her 20 and she get's 2 autistic kids every morning to try to get into the mix.

I forgot Kelli is a teacher!


Do you make her dress up and stuff when...... <never mind>


My guess is that most people would quit after about one week of trying to be a teacher. I was a Boy Scout troop leader.... and trying to get, and maintain, the attention of 8 or 9 little boys was like herding cats. Just to get them settled enough to even START to do a project tried my patience!

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Mkelcy

There's an inverse correlation between the extent of the coverage and the cost per patient. Preventive care actually works, and if we provided it to those who are uninsured and who must must use ER services, the overall cost would decline.

Finally something we can agree on.


Obamacare didn't address the COSTS of healthcare.... if it had - I'd have been all for it. Instead he just created an entire new government bureaucracy.

[Sieg]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Obamacare didn't address the COSTS of healthcare.... if it had - I'd have been all for it. Instead he just created an entire new government bureaucracy.

...........and appointed Robin Hood as the Czar.

I read Michelle's Thesis from Princeton in 2006/7 before it was suppressed. It definitely a had a strong underlying general tone of black vs. white IMO.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/01/11...nceton-thesis/

Roger and Darren make classic examples of what drives this country. Small businesses are the infantry of America and right now it appears this administration values them about as much as an infantry pawn in Vietnam.

[GregWeld]

Originally Posted by Sieg

...........and appointed Robin Hood as the Czar.

I read Michelle's Thesis from Princeton in 2006/7 before it was suppressed. It definitely a had a strong underlying general tone of black vs. white IMO.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/01/11...nceton-thesis/

This is a typical VIEW FROM THE BOTTOM of the glass. As long as SHE felt that way - she was no doubt received that way. A chip on her shoulder. The very same "chip" that has this President declaring war on the 1%.

Reminds me of the debate between Lloyd Bentsen and Dan Quail....."I knew Jack Kennedy, and you sir, are no Jack Kennedy"

[Bucketlist2012]

There is a silent shift in who they want to tax.. It was the 1%...Then magically it became the 2%...Any of us who know realize that it will silently go to the top 10%, and then ???? To pay the debt and without massive spending cuts, it will reach the top 40% eventually.

And as far as Todd's post, he is right on the money....After my seizures they gave me a life sentence of seizure medication...OK, I get that, but the additional medicine's they tried to give me to "cure" me were worse than the side effects they were trying to fix....Several times I tried their "cure"...After two days of Zombie land I refused to take it, and slowly, naturally, I am getting better. They want to treat everything with pills...No thanks..

I just don't see any compromise coming for a long time...The Media refuses to report the truth, and the 51% believe them. So I see it getting worse for many before it gets better, But they are going to need to understand what and why it is happening and stop believing what they are spoon fed..

[syborg tt]

I don't want to sound mean but I am sure it will come out this way.

Like you said they are going to have to eventually tax the middleclass and eventually everyone will see an increase. There will be job cuts ( hopefully for the people who voted for Obama ) and it is going to hurt us as a Nation. Which sucks.

However I a certain it's the only way the 51% will figure it out. Sometime you have to slap people in the face with a dead fish for them to understand what they have done.

On a side Note: Just think if Mitt did get elected and the economy went downhill the Republican party would be blaimed for it by the media. So if we fail as a country at least we know that Obama and his followers will be the cause !

[Shmoov69]

Originally Posted by GregWeld

Obamacare didn't address the COSTS of healthcare.... if it had - I'd have been all for it. Instead he just created an entire new government bureaucracy.

I've said that before.... We are not doing anything about the cause of the issue (whatever it may be at the time), but rather trying to mask the symptoms. Like taking an aspirin for a splinter, ain't going to fix it at all but might make it stop hurting till its time for another one!