...

Go Back   Lateral-g Forums > Technical Discussions > Transmission and Rear End
User Name
Password



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 08-20-2018, 10:32 AM
cjfirstgen's Avatar
cjfirstgen cjfirstgen is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 251
Thanks: 2
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleyellar View Post
I talked to Tremec about these bolt on sequential shifters for the T56 Magnum and he said that to make the transmission truly sequential, about $4k worth of work needed to be done inside the transmission in addition to the shifter.
FWIW
Then you need a PPG gear set at about $17K. A true T56 sequential such as PPG T56 Magnum sequential is about $20k. Then you also have the EG46 from Emco which is not a T56 case but has the exact mounting bolt pattern/dimensions for $26,500. Both are full race capable transmissions used in many racing series.
__________________
Project "Twice Baked" '69 Camaro : https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=41460
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-20-2018, 01:17 PM
Ketzer's Avatar
Ketzer Ketzer is online now
Lateral-g Supporting Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Eads, TN.
Posts: 1,187
Thanks: 30
Thanked 11 Times in 8 Posts
Default

When you guys say "true", is that clutchless shifting with some kind of electronic cut-out for shifts?
__________________
You remind me of the timing on a turbo engine...
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-20-2018, 02:08 PM
cjfirstgen's Avatar
cjfirstgen cjfirstgen is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 251
Thanks: 2
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketzer View Post
When you guys say "true", is that clutchless shifting with some kind of electronic cut-out for shifts?
No clutch for upshifts or downshift. Clutch is still used for roll out in 1st and of course reverse. All sequentials have to employ an electronic throttle blip while shifting up to take the load off the input shaft or a throttle rev for downshifts. Something around 15% of throttle input or so. But it is no lift shifting essentially.

This is the T56 Magnum or TR6060 PPG gearset sequential in a 1400hp Viper.

__________________
Project "Twice Baked" '69 Camaro : https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=41460

Last edited by cjfirstgen; 08-20-2018 at 02:15 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-20-2018, 10:22 PM
Musclerodz's Avatar
Musclerodz Musclerodz is offline
Lateral-g Supporting Vendor
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: washington, ok
Posts: 4,062
Thanks: 1
Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gmtech13 View Post
Did anyone ever pull the trigger on one of these? looks like bremer's website is down now.
My customer literally got his roughly 7-10 days ago. I have not had time to even schedule the car into the shop yet. Been on indefinite hold.
__________________
Mike Redpath
Musclerodz & Customz
pro-touring parts specialists
Musclerodz.com
facebook page
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-21-2018, 07:51 AM
Ketzer's Avatar
Ketzer Ketzer is online now
Lateral-g Supporting Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Eads, TN.
Posts: 1,187
Thanks: 30
Thanked 11 Times in 8 Posts
Default

I think the straight gate shifting would still be pretty fun, even if you still had to clutch it... is it $2400 worth of fun? That depends entirely on the owner. I've seen plenty of guys spend extra on something I thought was pointless, and I know that I have done same....


Jeff-
__________________
You remind me of the timing on a turbo engine...
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-21-2018, 03:09 PM
will69camaro will69camaro is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Houston
Posts: 1,239
Thanks: 10
Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts
Default

Local guy to me won one of these from the manufacturer on Facebook. Delivered last week. He's gonna be putting the T56 magnum back in his turbo S10 to give it a shot. I said he should let me install it in my car to see how it works.

Still really wish i had the spare funds for a PPG but for the money right now i'm investing it into another project.
__________________
Texas A&M BSME 2008
1969 Camaro Hugger Orange
2013 SVT Raptor White
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12-05-2018, 11:26 PM
TheJDMan's Avatar
TheJDMan TheJDMan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 660
Thanks: 2
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Default

Turns out that Greg Weld has a PPG sequential 6 speed in his new track car. But this is a purpose built racecar that will never see any street driving. I don't think the PPG T56 dog box would be very appropriate for the street. I also noticed that the Bremer Shifter's facebook page has a notice that they have suspended production of their sequential shifters. Looks like S1 is the only current option for a sequential shifter. S1 has reduced the price to around $1900.
__________________
Steve Hayes
"Dust Off"
68 Camaro
Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets you!
"Jeremy Clarkson"
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-06-2018, 01:28 AM
Flash68's Avatar
Flash68 Flash68 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: NorCal
Posts: 8,900
Thanks: 11
Thanked 45 Times in 33 Posts
Default

The sequential in Gregs' Dirt Bomb Mustang is really cool.

I also vote for a G Force dog box. I have a T101A.
__________________
1968 Camaro SB2.2
1990 🦊 Mustang LS3
1963 Nova Wagon LS1
2014 Keezer
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 12-06-2018, 06:22 AM
Sheck44 Sheck44 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Pickering Ont
Posts: 607
Thanks: 0
Thanked 35 Times in 32 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketzer View Post
We would never spend crazy money on something just because we want it... pro touring is nothing if not practical....
LMAO
Never !!

Steve
__________________
69' SS X11 PRO-TOURING - SOLD
Next up - 1973 FJ40 LS & 1966 FJ40 R2.8 Resto-mods
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 12-06-2018, 09:26 AM
CJD Automotive's Avatar
CJD Automotive CJD Automotive is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: JACKSONVILLE, FL
Posts: 169
Thanks: 9
Thanked 42 Times in 10 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJDMan View Post
Turns out that Greg Weld has a PPG sequential 6 speed in his new track car. But this is a purpose built racecar that will never see any street driving. I don't think the PPG T56 dog box would be very appropriate for the street.
I have the same trans in my car. I've driven a Viper with one, and if you have your ECM programming right, drives like an almost normal car. It is a little clunky, but it's a dog box, they all are. Stop and go traffic, your just going to hold the clutch. Pushing to neutral and back and forth just wasn't worth it to me.

PPG just released a synchronized version of the gear set, so same sequential shift, just have to use the clutch to change gears, but no clunky dog box.

Price on the gear sets has come down to around 14K. I know, still stupid money, but the gear sets can consistently hold almost 2000HP from these Vipers, so your not going to break it!.

The shifter on the PPG just mounts on a plate and is connected via a single mechanical link rod, so the shifter can be mounted about anywhere. I went with an XL tail shaft to move the shifter inline with the steering wheel. Just barely move your hand off the wheel and it falls right on the shifter.

You can see in Greg's vid of Benny driving, he is having to "reach" to shift the car. The shifter location could be moved for better driver ergonomics.


__________________
Craig Scholl
CJD Automotive, LLC

www.CJDAUTOMOTIVE.com

"I own a Mopar, so I already know it won't be in stock, won't ship tomorrow, and won't actually fit without modification."

Last edited by CJD Automotive; 12-06-2018 at 09:46 AM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:09 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright Lateral-g.net