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12-26-2010, 11:22 PM
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but did you not just say
that's what I was responding to. You can absolutely damage fenders by leaning on them, and common sense would tell you that it's even easier to do with aluminum fenders............. So you say you don't believe that leaning on fenders can cause damage and then say you know not to lean on fenders because it may cause damage.
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Maybe I haven't worded myself as I wanted to,but I simply said that I don't belive that fenders can be damaged by leaning on them and if anyone who has no common sense is working on a car without proper protection regardless of what material fenders are made of,I would make them pay for the damage.
In 20 plus years of doing body and paint I had a fair share of aluminum body parts that needed repair due to collision damage,not stupidity and most were tough parts,even Mitsubishi EVO VII & VIII fenders that don't even weigh a pound, granted I haven't had a chance to work on AMD aluminum parts yet,but I have on their steel parts.I'm not only a dealer for AMD ,I use them as well .
If you haven't worked with aluminum body parts, please don't confuse them with aluminum pots and pans, I have no degree in metallurgy,but can say that most aluminum alloy body and structural parts on late model cars are very resistant to damage,and when damaged are difficult to repair
Before you try to pick this post apart,I'll say: Anything can be damaged by neglect and carelessness. Merry Christmas
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12-26-2010, 11:38 PM
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Maybe I haven't worded myself as I wanted to,but I simply said that I don't belive that fenders can be damaged by leaning on them and if anyone who has no common sense is working on a car without proper protection regardless of what material fenders are made of,I would make them pay for the damage.
In 20 plus years of doing body and paint I had a fair share of aluminum body parts that needed repair due to collision damage,not stupidity and most were tough parts,even Mitsubishi EVO VII & VIII fenders that don't even weigh a pound, granted I haven't had a chance to work on AMD aluminum parts yet,but I have on their steel parts.I'm not only a dealer for AMD ,I use them as well .
If you haven't worked with aluminum body parts, please don't confuse them with aluminum pots and pans, I have no degree in metallurgy,but can say that most aluminum alloy body and structural parts on late model cars are very resistant to damage,and when damaged are difficult to repair
Before you try to pick this post apart,I'll say: Anything can be damaged by neglect and carelessness. Merry Christmas
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we'll agree to disagree. I absolutely believe they are easily damaged by leaning on them, since I know that steel fenders can be damaged by leaning on them. Aluminum is much easier to distort in my opinion.
Have a great Christmas and New Year Stefan.
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12-26-2010, 11:42 PM
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So to be clear, I have used the aluminum parts and while they are NOT as tender as the race aluminum parts of the old days, they are more tender then steel parts.
With that said, we do not own a fender cover, we just do not lean on fenders or store tools on them, period. It is that simple. The street drag car I posted pictures of has been painted since 1996. We have pulled the motor and freshened it / changed it 7 to 8 times. Change sparks plugs sometimes twice a day at the track switching from motor passes to NOS. We did just fog in the black on the car, flames are original, re cleared the entire car, there is not a ding or chip on the fenders in 14 years. And it has never had a fender cover on it.
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12-26-2010, 11:47 PM
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I've seen steel fenders dented on top by elbows, I can only imagine what would happen with an aluminum fender.
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I think I could dance on my steel ones (I have inner fenders); I really can't see how you could dent steel ones with elbows, unless they are like wrestling elbows to the fender groin or something
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So to be clear, I have used the aluminum parts and while they are NOT as tender as the race aluminum parts of the old days, they are more tender then steel parts.
With that said, we do not own a fender cover, we just do not lean on fenders or store tools on them, period. It is that simple. The street drag car I posted pictures of has been painted since 1996. We have pulled the motor and freshened it / changed it 7 to 8 times. Change sparks plugs sometimes twice a day at the track switching from motor passes to NOS. We did just fog in the black on the car, flames are original, re cleared the entire car, there is not a ding or chip on the fenders in 14 years. And it has never had a fender cover on it.
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there you have it, 14 years and still not a ding, and it's not even a garage queen
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there you have it, 14 years and still not a ding, and it's not even a garage queen
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of course not, they don't lean on them or set anything on them............ kinda tough to damage them if you don't really touch them.
My point was they are easier to dent or damage than steel, and Frank said the same. I've seen "mechanics dents" in the top of steel fenders from leaning on them, probably with elbows, so I'm sure these would do the same. I am not bad mouthing them, but they obviously require more care to keep them nice and straight.
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12-27-2010, 12:21 AM
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all I'm saying is you can manage to work on a car and not cause any damage,but if you plan on leaning or bumping fenders with knees and elbows,dropping tools ,e.t.c. you may end up with dents,dunno
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all I'm saying is you can manage to work on a car and not cause any damage,but if you plan on leaning or bumping fenders with knees and elbows,dropping tools ,e.t.c. you may end up with dents,dunno
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You are absolutely correct. I had to learn the hardway not to lean my elbows on the tops of the fenders while working in the engine compartment. It's a little difficult to notice creasing when using a fender cover. They did crease slightly and it was a lesson learned early on.
Not to say I dont like the product. I love the weight savings and would buy them again.
Just airing fair warning to anyone else interested in buying the product.
Cheers!!
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wow! weird how a simple question turned up into a big ol discussion lol ...it reminds me of my wife
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body shop built a nice mustang and had all the prep done.all final blocked out ect.had to send car out to another shop for some engine work.when the car returned the fender tops were filled with a bunch of low spots.they swear they didnt do it.this was steel fenders.
when i was working on my camaro a friend of a friend came by and was tipsy to say the least.he leaned right over and rested both elbows on fender top.i was kinda pissed and let it go for a few minutes.i had enough and said hey i dont wanna sound like a jerk but my whole front end is welded together/fender to valance ect./ can you not lean on the car.he went on for twenty minutes about its steel and wont hurt it.he was shown the door.lol
back to aluminum.my wife had several land rovers and i think they were aluminum.ugly as hell too.
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